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Old 11-22-2007, 06:43 PM   #1
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Airsoft takes a hit in UK

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M7jr0S1frWM

After I watched this video, I couldn't eat my dinner, and was completely anti social for the rest of the night it disturbed me so much. I still feel sick to my very core just by how horrible of a thought this video is.

So with that said, lets hear the reactions haha.
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Old 11-22-2007, 06:54 PM   #2
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That is truly the most disturbing and distorted piece of trash video that I have ever seen. The people that would produce that to further their political goals should be beaten repeatedly.

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Whoa... that's a load. Airsoft guns cannot be converted to shoot real bullets. It's just not possible.
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Old 11-22-2007, 07:39 PM   #4
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wow...thats just messed up.
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Mothers against guns? More like Mothers supporting bull*****.
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I bet kids just watching that vid are harmed more than "replica guns" could ever do.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:30 PM   #8
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And even if they could modify them to fire real rounds, why the hell would they be shooting them at each other? They were young but they still had common sense..... Stupid crappy propaganda.....
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heheh 8 year old is smart enough to modify his gun and obtain ammo, but can't figure the difference between Airsoft and RealSteel

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Bwahahaha! That's the funniest piece of bull**** I've ever seen.
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Wow, totally hype.
Looks like their website's been hacked or something, as all it's displaying is DNS Cluster stats.

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Could it be a hoax? I only got 'DNS Cluster Stats' on the website's .net domain.

The .org site is US based and I have been aware of them for sometime, although they are more anti RS than AS.
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Thats just sick and disturbing. Airsoft isn't the real threat. It's people that go out of their way to make videos like that that are the threat.
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Bwahahaha! That's the funniest piece of bull**** I've ever seen.
I'm cracking up too. It's such a load of crap it's hard not to laugh. Still though some idiots might agree.
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haha, they could barely hold the postols in their hands
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Mothers Against Replica guns makes about as much sense as Mothers Against Canada. They are willfully misleading the public. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that airsoft guns have absolutely no similar components to real steel on the inside.
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Hey, Canada spawned something great that the whole world can enjoy.

Hockey.

Hockey helped us cope with the Cold War also.

But yeah, who's idea was it to use thermold magazines in theyre "C7s" (Not even cool enough to call it an M-16)
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:00 AM   #19
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Trash... Just trash.. What next a group against the use of fingernail clippers? Someone cut themselves and bled to death, so I'm starting a group DAFC Dad's Against Fingernail Clippers. And just think that person wasted hours of their life on that garbage. Hmm.. and here i am wasting minutes of my life talking about that trash... My god.. I think they won...
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What the frick. I don't even see how that is close to airsoft. They don't even try to display the saftey precautions that we take when we play. If they did, it would seem alittle bit more realistic...besides the fact the kids have real guns...
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Old 11-25-2007, 04:41 PM   #21
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Yeah I know, I felt so sick after that video, and I definatly don't like what that guy is doing with his P90 either.

EDIT: And they should be banned for false advertising because that is a straight up lie.
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those people don't have a clue about how how aisoft guns actually work (new nickname for them: Omama bin ladens)
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Just remember, as silly as this material is to us, these folks actually come off as genuine and have sway with many people. And they do not have trouble exploiting this trust through lying as long as it achieves their committed goals. The fact that we play airsoft is a strike against our credibility in the minds of those same people, as we're all just strange or mentally unbalanced. This same battle has gone on with regards to real steel for many years when put up against organizations like Handgun Control Inc. For those who can remember it, think back to Rosie O'Donnel side swiping Tom Sellek on her talk show following the Columbine massacre; there was no logic, only emotion and mindless propoganda. And there were people at the time saying that O'Donnel had a point. Don't underestimate the power of an impassioned and concerned mother. When the words "will someone please think of the children" start flowing it's time to head for the hills.
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That would've required me to actually WATCH that show. That's just an action I was not willing to take.

Feh let them have sway, their entire argument is a false one. No child can modify an airsoft rifle to fire bullets, let alone reliably and repeatedly. And I don't need to be an airsofter/paintballer/whatever to know that... all I need to know is the materials of the guns and the average mechanical talent of an 8 year old.
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all I need to know is the materials of the guns and the average mechanical talent of an 8 year old.
Amen, legally getting a hold of the reciever isn't an easy task unless you're 18+, illegally the kid would have to be able to disassemble a rifle and know what to take in addition to how it all works so he could rebuild it in a flimsy plastic shell. Unless his parents leave just leave piles of disassembled ruger 10 22's all over the house but that would be a totally different issue and I bet they'd still try to blame replica firearms rather than bad parenting.

Does anyone know of any actual FACTUAL ( I AM SUCH A MORON!) documented cases involving manslaughter (I don't think 8 year olds intentionaly murder, per say) with a conversion replica? Is this group acting on conjured fear or what?
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This was completely stupid. Children that young don't play airsoft. They just used them there to make them look innocent and their lives cut short. Airsoft will not do that with proper saftey.
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Airsoft won't do that WITHOUT proper safety. And we get plenty of little kids that some out and play. This is just pandering to people's fear
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It's videos like this that give children the ideas anymore. They see it, they hear about it, think it's cool, most parents ignore it and then they do it. It's really sad to see this crap anymore....
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yep, I know, I can't watch that video, it makes me sick everytime I see it.
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crazy brits.....
Anyway relating to the UK, i just picked up an issue of airsoft international. It seems like they are putting all the airsoft players in a big data base. Like they need to register with a field and when they buy a gun, UK retailers need to check to make shore the person buying is registered. I may be wrong but that is what i have heard
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The VCRB in the UK calls for 'skirmishers' (18 and over only, under 18 you are not allowed to buy/sell guns) to be identified as such if they want to be able to buy/use an airsoft gun. In order to be identified as a skirmisher - they have to show proof that they are a registered member of a skirmish site (or airsoft field). That proof is what they call a 'defence'.

These skirmish sites have banded together to form UKARA, creating essentially a database of players natiowide. From my limited understanding, the law didnt require a national body - it only called for being a paying member of a skirmish site. I believe the UKARA was formed to protect the skirmish site since they are now being made responsible to 'vouch' for players.

At some point its a better scenario than what was being proposed for NJ.
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no matter how BAMF you can get an airsoft gun to look and operate, it will still only be a TOY GUN!!!! nothing more, nothing less...
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That is true. I can't stand people who constantly fear monger like this, it drives me crazy. There is things that you fear, and things that you shouldn't. I'm glad that at least the US is not the only country with such completely overbearing idiots. But me and my friend actually got a good laugh out of this, but I have pretty dark humor, it's not the kid getting killed, it's just the whole concept is so ridiculous it's just funny.
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its total crap, a total steaming load of pathos. Get people to cry for the little kids, then mention replica guns at the end. idiot math kicks in, and people start to hate airsoft...great.
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Wow. That is the biggest piece of bunk have ever seen. No truth in advertising there.
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I think the mothers actually started the "mothers against airsoft guns" was because that were just to old to play airsoft.
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hopefully show them that they cannot be converted to real steel and i was joking about the airsofters agains mothers against airsoft guns
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Feh let them have sway, their entire argument is a false one. No child can modify an airsoft rifle to fire bullets, let alone reliably and repeatedly. And I don't need to be an airsofter/paintballer/whatever to know that... all I need to know is the materials of the guns and the average mechanical talent of an 8 year old.
its not that its likely, but it is in the relm of possibility(the outer fringes none the less) that a person, legaly considered a minor, could make a break barrel zip gun out of an airsoft gun (gas pistols would be the easiest conversions). Would it be reliable? No. Would it be accurace? No, would it fire more than 3 shots before dying? Probobly not, but it is POSSIBLE, and thats all these over emotional do-gooders need to get riled up.

PS: you can make a 22lr out of a car antenna and a hammer, or a car antenna, some flexable material (like surgical tubing), a nail and some wood, the hard part is finding the ammo, putting that in an airsoft gun would be alot more work for no gain, so I doubt it will ever happen
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And the point of this was.....?
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its its not a good idea to say that theres no way in heaven or earth that it could be made into a firearm without the parts of a fire arm, because somday, somone will make one and as such they will rub that in our face saying "See? this can happen to your preciouse children"

its realy just semantics though, and as such, Ill let it drop
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I didn't say that. With enough engineering, anything can be converted over.

But if you read all of my post, I said no 8 year old is going to do it. And I stand by it. NO 8 year old has the mechanical knowledge/access/ability to make an airsoft weapon fire real bullets.
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do you think the kid was evil?
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i was looking at that website and first of, i think it's funny that the initials are mag as is magazine. and one line says "Join us and become a “B.U.L.L.E.T”. (Believers, United, Learning, Loving and Enduring Together)" bulllet? come on! and this vid is comepletly non-sense. just the stupidest thing ever.
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no comprendo esos madres

I cant even try to understand that, bullets and mags against guns? im not even sure what emotion they are trying to provoke...
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