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Old 06-17-2010, 11:58 AM   #1
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Question Ak vs M4

Hello, this is my first post on your forums as I am pretty new to airsoft and your site (which is really helpful by the way). I'm sorry it's one of those "what should I buy" questions, but I could really use some input. I'm looking at two different AEG's but I just can't decide which would be more reliable. This will be my 2nd AEG (I currently have a p90) but I want something that has a decent range and isn't too hard to lug around.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=31427

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http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=29847

My biggest issue is that I'm not sure if the DD M4 comes with a Free Float RAS Rail System or not (I already purchased a SCAR-type bi-pod foregrip). It says it does in the "Features" section, but in the picture it says you have to purchase them separately. Any other suggestions are very welcome. I want to stay in the $180 - $230 range.

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:17 PM   #2
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First, M4 all the way.

Second:

http://www.c3airsoft.com/showthread....s-m-21242.html

Light weight, extremely reliable, and has revolutionary features including, swappable upper gearbox, rotary-wheel hop up, more real-steel like disassembly, and strong polymer.

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:27 PM   #3
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For me, the difference between AK and M4 has always been about feel. The AK just isn't comfortable for me.

I'd recommend that you handle each gun and see which one fits you better. Go to a store like Montgomeryville Army/Navy or Old Man's, heck, even come to a game (I'm sure someone will let you see their gun).
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Yeah, an M4 would probably be better for me. I was actually really considering this:

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6097
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:45 PM   #5
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Yeah, an M4 would probably be better for me. I was actually really considering this:

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6097
Plenty of rails and it looks like it will shoot under 400 FPS fairly accurately out of the box, not a bad choice in my opinion. I still like AKs though, guess it's the Guerrilla mindset I have in me.
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Old 06-17-2010, 05:15 PM   #6
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M4 all day, everyday. From a practical standpoint trying to borrow an AK mag off of somebody in the middle of a gun battle is a slim shot at best. An M4 mag on the other hand...
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Old 06-17-2010, 05:23 PM   #7
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If you go AK, the Real Sword Type 56, 56-1, or 56-2, are the only way to go. The externals and overall build quality are second to none. I can't even pick up any other airsoft AK anymore, they just don't even compare.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:49 PM   #8
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M4 all day, everyday. From a practical standpoint trying to borrow an AK mag off of somebody in the middle of a gun battle is a slim shot at best. An M4 mag on the other hand...
You're forgetting that AK hicaps hold upwards of 600 rounds. :D

As far as reliability goes, it's all dependent on the brand. Theoretically, the AK has a version 3 mechbox, which is more reliable and easier to work on than the version 2 that all M4s have. The AK also has a nicer hop up design, compared to the stupid gears on the m4.

But yeah, it's about feel. Keep in mind though that even M4s feel different from model to model. I for example really dislike the feel of a standard M4/16, but really enjoy my LR300, which has a different style pistol grip, handguard and stock. Your best option really is to get to the field or a store and try them out for yourself.
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Thank you guys for the input. I live pretty far from Montgomeryville Army/Navy and no one I know has an M4, but I've held some Ak's, and I think I would like the feel of an M4 better. I think I am going to go with the ASGI G4-A3 DMR Blowback. Hopefully I'll be able to get some people together and out to a game with you guys soon. Thanks!
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You're forgetting that AK hicaps hold upwards of 600 rounds. :D
Is this the fabled AK-47 wall of plastic?
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Gonna go with the M4 as well. Not that AKs are bad or anything, just that the M4 is preferable for me.
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Well from what i've seen its all a matter of style and preferance. I own an M4, M16, and an AK 47. No doubt i love my m16 but when it comes down to it i'll trash my m4 in a heartbeat for the ak. The only problems with an ak is the tactical gear and the magazines. The midcaps aren't as readily available for an ak, nor the gear to properly hold the mags. But when it comes down to performance and accuracy the ak destroys the m4. Spec wise your typical m4 has either a 280 mm barrel or a 330 mm barrel for the full length whereas the ak has a 455 and when you throw a tight bore barrel into it the differences show for themselves. you can't control a 280 or 330 mm barrel at the distances an ak can easily hit.
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But when it comes down to performance and accuracy the ak destroys the m4. Spec wise your typical m4 has either a 280 mm barrel or a 330 mm barrel for the full length whereas the ak has a 455 and when you throw a tight bore barrel into it the differences show for themselves. you can't control a 280 or 330 mm barrel at the distances an ak can easily hit.
Then by that reasoning, you would be foolish NOT to have an M16, as it has a 509mm inner barrel! Heck, sniper rifles for everyone!

I actually disagree pretty much with everything you said that I quoted. While it's true that a longer barrel is generally more accurate than a shorter one, there are many components that contribute to accuracy. The length of the barrel is only one of them.

In the context of this thread, don't you think it's better for the OP to get whichever gun that feels better in his hands? What good is a longer barrel if the gun feels cumbersome and unnatural?
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In the context of this thread, don't you think it's better for the OP to get whichever gun that feels better in his hands? What good is a longer barrel if the gun feels cumbersome and unnatural?
I can't agree more with this statement... picking out an airsoft gun is a very personal choice, what feels good in one persons hands can feel like crap in another's. Even among similar models... AK vs AK for example, there are difference, full metal body vs a mixture of metal and plastic, wood stock vs metal, I've even seen guns that have different length stocks. Unfortunately no one can tell you what is going to feel good in your hands. And if it doesn't feel good you won't be able to shoot it well and in return will end up hating the gun and then selling it at a financial lose

One of your main questions was which would be more reliable. In the airsoft world the whole AK47/M4 question is really a moot point... you are shooting the same ammo, dunking either in mud would be a bad idea. Rather I would asking the question of which BRAND is more reliable. Search the forums and you will find plenty of reviews addressing those topics.

I'm a big fan function over form, so one last set of questions I would ask you: What do you want to do with this piece, do you want to sit back and pick your shots, do you want to be running around with your hair on fire or do you want to do a mixture of both? The answers to these questions should point you in the direction of the right tool for the right job. Hope this help!
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One of your main questions was which would be more reliable. In the airsoft world the whole AK47/M4 question is really a moot point... you are shooting the same ammo, dunking either in mud would be a bad idea. Rather I would asking the question of which BRAND is more reliable. Search the forums and you will find plenty of reviews addressing those topics.

I'm a big fan function over form, so one last set of questions I would ask you: What do you want to do with this piece, do you want to sit back and pick your shots, do you want to be running around with your hair on fire or do you want to do a mixture of both? The answers to these questions should point you in the direction of the right tool for the right job. Hope this help!
Yeah, actually that really does help me. It would be better to plan ahead and purchase on the basis of how you are going to be using it. I try not to buy things on a whim, and this is a really good piont. Thank you!
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