It is my great pleasure to announce that Montgomeryville Army-Navy will be offering a discount to members of C3 Special Operations! The discount will be as follows:
5% off of airsoft and paintball guns
10% off everything else
Now, you have an even better reason to put forth some effort on the field.
Now THAT, is an incentive to start being more tactical. I am thoroughly impressed.
Now THAT, is an incentive to start being more tactical. I am thoroughly impressed.
Yeah, but there shouldn't HAVE to be incentive for people to play more as a team out there and not hide behind rocks or try to be an army of one. Do they really need to "bribe" people to play better? Apparently. (Nevermind, I answered my own question)
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A bribe? There is nothing wrong with a person helping someone help themselves. Its a great way to keep business flowing and people coming in the door. This so called "bribe" is a win factor for both sides of a business counter.
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i think the point of the statement was that although the discount incentive is a good gesture, it shouldnt be a factor in improving ones game.
1/2 the fun of airsoft is the tactics because you are emulating real life counterparts.
the other 1/2 is the fashion show. =P
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also in my experience, transitioning to a Midcap only rule really helped on movement and gameplay. just a suggestion.. i know you don't want to hinder/exclude the hicappers or bring an additional expense on people, but "reloading is fun". again just a thought. i'm not talking about your weekly skirms, but maybe your larger events *(excluding OP: HS which was a mid only game)
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i think the point of the statement was that although the discount incentive is a good gesture, it shouldnt be a factor in improving ones game.
Ding. Ding. Ding. That's what I meant. I have nothing against Montarmynavy wanting to help business.
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also in my experience, transitioning to a Midcap only rule really helped on movement and gameplay. just a suggestion.. i know you don't want to hinder/exclude the hicappers or bring an additional expense on people, but "reloading is fun". again just a thought. i'm not talking about your weekly skirms, but maybe your larger events *(excluding OP: HS which was a mid only game)
I agree. I use to only like hicaps, but the last two OPs I played used the midcap only rule, and I will admit reloading (and not having to wind mags) was personally more fun to me.
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I don't think running mid cap mags will change anything in either direction. I run a L96 some of the day then I goto the other end of the spectrum and run a M4 with a 5,000 box mag. I just enjoy the game itself not the fashion show or the "Land of makebelieve" To me it's just another sport.
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Yeah, but there shouldn't HAVE to be incentive for people to play more as a team out there and not hide behind rocks or try to be an army of one. Do they really need to "bribe" people to play better? Apparently. (Nevermind, I answered my own question)
Don't think of it as a bribe, think of it as "positive reinforcement".
After reading the entire thread I feel that this is probably one of the greatest ideas. I mean why not reward people and encourage them to play more tactical. Which in turn makes the game so much more enjoyable for everyone. I think this will have a very positive snowball effect on our community. I don't know about everyone else but this has gotten me to think...."Now how can I be more tactical".
I do not think that putting mag capacity limits will do much of anything when it comes to how much people shoot and move.
Mind you, in my opinion, airsoft is a slower paced game. Something I like. Instead of the usual 'charge in and shoot everyone' mentality that paintball has. I like slower paced games. I'm a patient man, and I enjoy the thoughtfulness in tactics that usually goes in with airsoft.
Airsoft is unique. While slow paced, it has moments of complete insanity. Once the BBs fly it's pretty intense, we can all attest to that.
But you really have to reflect upon your own playing style before considering making an attempt to get into something like this. You may have to make a few changes in your game style. Are you the type who likes to run around with dual AEGs, spraying the living daylights out of everything that moves on the field while screaming like a lunatic, or are you someone who likes to gather up a squad of buddies and take it nice and slow, and use tactics and strategy to over whelm the enemy?
I've seen it personally, a small group can wipe out a large group if the small group knows what they are doing.
It falls back to the mag capacity here. When I did a training course on room clearing a couple years back, we were trained by a couple of real SWAT guys in the area and used paintball guns. Two of them completely wiped us out. (Five man stacks) several times. Why?
Because they practice their tactics. They had the same capacity as us in paintballs, but we always tended to spray like mad because we did not know what we were doing. The more we practiced, the better we go, we found ourselves using less and less. The same will apply to many of you here if you practice intelligent gameplay. You will find that you no longer need hicaps, and no longer need to spray thousands of BBs randomly about.
I also can sort of foresee some over working involving this. While this is, mind you, a great idea to help improve the community, I just have a feeling there might be a couple handfuls out there who will try but not succeed, and thus may take it personally, because in their eyes they try...but in the eyes that watch them they just do not cut it. Remember, this is just a game. If you improve your gameplay and mindset in the field, and start playing a lot better and more thoughtful, then what loss have you received? Remember; with each failure there is a lesson. With each lesson there is new knowledge. Thus, you'll grow as a player of the game. Just because someone has not yet seen your new style and improvements does not mean anything. Continue your new world and go forward with it, and eventually, I'm certain, that day would end up showing up. As Lou said, these guys are not elitists or highrollers, and we as a community should not see them as such or hold any sort of jealousy. So far, the initial thought in the group has been very positive, I just hope it stays that way and continues to draw improvement with people.
I also can sort of foresee some over working involving this. While this is, mind you, a great idea to help improve the community, I just have a feeling there might be a couple handfuls out there who will try but not succeed, and thus may take it personally, because in their eyes they try...but in the eyes that watch them they just do not cut it. Remember, this is just a game. If you improve your gameplay and mindset in the field, and start playing a lot better and more thoughtful, then what loss have you received? Remember; with each failure there is a lesson. With each lesson there is new knowledge. Thus, you'll grow as a player of the game. Just because someone has not yet seen your new style and improvements does not mean anything. Continue your new world and go forward with it, and eventually, I'm certain, that day would end up showing up. As Lou said, these guys are not elitists or highrollers, and we as a community should not see them as such or hold any sort of jealousy. So far, the initial thought in the group has been very positive, I just hope it stays that way and continues to draw improvement with people.
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This sounds like a great idea. It will give others and myself a mission to be part of this team. I just wanted to put this out there I am currently looking to become a member of a team. If your team share these values then PM me.
i have been playing airsoft for a long time...have been looking forward to getting to PL with you guys for the first time...this will motivate me immensely...now if Exelon would only let me away from limerick for 2 freakin seconds it might happen
Many people complain about others hiding and "camping" in one place for the entire game. People complain that these players don't really know what to do. That is the problem exactly. Excuse me if I'm not making too much sense yet. These players that camp tend to be newer or younger players. They don't really want to do much because they don't really want to look stupid by going off and doing something random, making them look like an arse. You know what they're really doing? They are waiting for SOMEONE to TELL them to do something!
You know what I'm going to say next, don't you?
WE NEED LEADERS!
Most of the people who complain of lollers are more seasoned players who see the value of incorporating tactics into the game, not only to play more realistically, but also to make the game more fun for everyone. Guess what? If this is you, you can be a leader! See that kid just hiding behind a bush? Tell him to follow you! See more kids doing it? Tell them too! Soon you will have a platoon sized force with you! Now you, the more seasoned player that (hopefully) knows what he/she is doing can employ tactics.
See? If more people were just willing to lead, I think we can avoid most of these problems. I think one problem is that many people are afraid to lead. Guess what? Everyone makes mistakes! If you get some backlash from your followers, don't sweat it. I don't see them leading!
Don't get me wrong, C3 "Special" Operations is a good idea. Hopefully the players in this group will step it up out on the field now that we know they know their stuff.
YES! This is the post I have been waiting for! That is EXACTLY why I don't do anything. You see, new players/younger players are mostly like bee drones. They need direction or they sit there and die off. I need LOTS of direction. If you give me an objective, I need a plan to GET to the objective and COMPLETE it. Don't just tell me "Put the flag in the hole" Tell me "Take the flag, slowly move up while staying behind cover, call for covering fire, and plant the flag into the hole."
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The problem is that it's not always that they're just waiting to be told what to do. Alot of the time they just sit there because they don't want to be shot. They think it's about getting a good "k/d ratio" but it's really about completing a goal as a team.
If it was about kills then there would be no objectives in our games. Objectives force players to use teamwork and communication to complete a goal, but some people haven't figured that out yet, and others just don't care as long as they get more kills.
For these reasons and more, C3 special operations was created to provide play time for serious players. Yes leading can help the situation, but there's more to teamwork than that, and some can't quite grasp the concept of teamwork. Frankly it's sad that someone has to create a special group to have fun playing airsoft, but too many people are lolling around about their k/d ratio, and I think this was a great idea.
edit: Bunk, why should anyone have to sit there and tell them what to do and when to do it? No one wants to volunteer to be the babysitter and make sure they do everything they're supposed to, especially when they(lollers) know what to do, and most people do, which is one reason why it's so frustrating when they sit there not contributing to the game, and then complain that they lost or didn't have any fun.
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The problem is that it's not always that they're just waiting to be told what to do. Alot of the time they just sit there because they don't want to be shot. They think it's about getting a good "k/d ratio" but it's really about completing a goal as a team.
If it was about kills then there would be no objectives in our games. Objectives force players to use teamwork and communication to complete a goal, but some people haven't figured that out yet, and others just don't care as long as they get more kills.
For these reasons and more, C3 special operations was created to provide play time for serious players. Yes leading can help the situation, but there's more to teamwork than that, and some can't quite grasp the concept of teamwork. Frankly it's sad that someone has to create a special group to have fun playing airsoft, but too many people are lolling around about their k/d ratio, and I think this was a great idea.
I'm just going to say it in the clear: This IS a great idea. In no way am I saying that this is a terrible idea, or that we should end it. I just wanted to put out there that maybe there are more people then you think that need a "push" in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, this group is a push in the right direction. People will say, oh I want to be like those guys, they look so taticool! Or at the worst, "I want a cool colored forum name!" Any way to bait 'em in, right?
EDIT: Just wanted to point out. I still agree with all the things stated above in this section.
YES: Many kids only care about how many people they "kill"
YES: We need to learn tactics!
YES: People need to take the initiative.
It's just when the plastic flies, there needs to be someone to guide the rest, that's all.
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Every player hiding behind a rock or in a ditch it diff. There is times I have stopped playing or didnt use a respawn to try and help some of these people out. Even have changed sides on my own to get the enemy team fighting. That hasn't always turned out good. Like it has been said. You can lead a blind horse to water but you cant make him drink.
I love Bunks last post. Great post for a kid that has played "once"
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Anyways, Even though the majority of players do respond well to good leadership, myself included, the last weekend game I was at, I tried rallying squads together and got only attitude and ignorance in return from alot of the players, which ruined the game for me.
For example, I was trying to get in position to ease up pressure for an older gentleman, who was actually doing quite well by himself, and I accidentally got caught in the line of fire with someone who OBVIOUSLY had a plethora of ammo if you catch my drift.
And while I was crouching for cover someone with either a GBB or AEP got in close and had me completely pinned, Now realize there were atleast 6 people only a few yards behind me near our respawn (which was unlimited) and for what seemed like forever I was calling for someone to just put some damn fire on this exposed shooter so I could get into cover that wasnt a 3 ft high rock, Not a damn soul helped me out and I got clipped soon after.
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Just a quick question. How do you guys know who to appoint to C3 Special Operations? Like if you see someone on the field do you ask them their forum name and then they are in, or does the person just have to go enough times that they are eventually known by both their real and forum name? Thanks.
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I try to make that happen in video games but i can only get it to work with people i commonly play with.
I've only been in one airsoft "skirm" no really much just me and my friend in his back yard with cheap guns. (not alot of tact play in that one there were basicly a corner and a tree he had the tree because i instinctivly took the one with the most cover) and while he not was just spraying trying to get me while i was leaning corners, picking my shots, thinking ahead, ect. When i get my first auctly gun that isn't a total piece of crap and get my dad to drive me (and possibly be part of the team).
I am willing to take shots for the team, be bossed around, and be a boss (after expiernce) if you are willing to put me in (could you please PM me so i know)
Thank you
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How do i get chosen. Do i get seen playing in the fields in such a manner or what?
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If we see you doing work and what your supposed to do (like being a good team mate, moving and doing good work) when a lot spec-ops people see that well probably vote you in.
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The group will be all about two things: Teamwork and tactics. If you want to be a member, I challenge you to start putting forth a little bit more effort on the field. The original members (myself, Randy, and about seven others who I will be PMing soon) will be watching for you. Remember, the group is Invitation Only, so Don't PM me about joining. We will PM you if we are interested.
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How do i get chosen. Do i get seen playing in the fields in such a manner or what?
Asked and answered. Come, play, don't be a loller and hide behind rocks. If you have an inkling of how teamwork works, we'll contact you. If you think you are playing a FPS with airsoft guns...don't wait by the computer.
One quick thing, this isn't about leadership, it's about putting the mission first and playing as a team. We aren't looking to fill up a group of "generals", so if your ego can't handle not being in charge (not picking on you specifically, just saying), we won't be interested.
I fully under stand that this is not an fps with airsoft guns i was just saying that i try to use teamwork.
sorry for noob question but what is a loller.
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Cowering behind a rock, or exhibiting other characteristics not to the benefit of your team is considered being a loller.
Thank you now things make sense.
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You mean screaming and running is not a plan? Think this is a good idea hope to see it on the field. :-P
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You mean screaming and running is not a plan? Think this is a good idea hope to see it on the field. :-P
I vaguely remember hearing Lou yell "SCREAMING AND RUNNING IS NOT A PLAN!" in the LVP video
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You mean screaming and running is not a plan? Think this is a good idea hope to see it on the field. :-P
Um... I do this whenever we're losing and have one life left, only because it add's to the drama and epic movie scene-ish time. Also, if my team needs a distraction, I'm there.
I vaguely remember hearing Lou yell "SCREAMING AND RUNNING IS NOT A PLAN!" in the LVP video
Correct it was in the video its what Lou told our group before the first game started.
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Um... I do this whenever we're losing and have one life left, only because it add's to the drama and epic movie scene-ish time. Also, if my team needs a distraction, I'm there.
I tought this was the opposite of what we should be doing...
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Even a lolcharge has its uses. It is teamwork in it's most basic form. Plus, it's friggin hysterical.
I admit it does have humor value in the fact it is cartoon like, Running fast but does not seem to go fast.
The fact that he is at least at the forefront of the action and not camping behind a rock means a lot though.
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Hey I'm not complaining, its drawing the enemy fire towards the screaming guy, "hopping, skipping, and frolicking." So it brings out the enemy so his allies can take them out. Now thats taking one for the team!
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Hell, im only 13 (yeah) but I care more about tactics then anything. I study, not just read, about Marine Corps and Ranger tactics. I am un-experinced in airsoft but I know for a fact that I can aim and hit just about anything about the size of your average loller. This idea is amazing, a team just of people who use tactics and get stuff out of it (minus victory).
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It may sound "amazing" but just remember, the admins had to create this group as incentive to make people be more tactical and play as a team. Something we all should be doing anyway....
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It may sound "amazing" but just remember, the admins had to create this group as incentive to make people be more tactical and play as a team. Something we all should be doing anyway....
Lou was ALSO given a loud intimidating voice to yell at lollers with and tell them to stop sitting around and move or shoot.
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See that kid just hiding behind a bush? Tell him to follow you! See more kids doing it? Tell them too! Soon you will have a platoon sized force with you! Now you, the more seasoned player that (hopefully) knows what he/she is doing can employ tactics.
