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Explanation of Internals and What they do

From a guide I found very helpful...

Hop Up Bucking is the part that puts back spin on the bb. Marui guns come with decent ones but other companies make better ones. Systema, Guarder, prometheus and Fire Fly are the best. Fire Fly makes a special one with 3 nubs in the bottom to create a better spin.

Hop Up Chamber. The Hop Up Chamber can be changed for more consistency. The stock plastic ones in Marui guns are ok but are not as good as ones made by Systema. King arms and Prometheus are said to be the best.

Barrel. Some people change to barrels longer or tighter than their stock ones. The tighter the barrel the better. Don't get one too tight if you use bad quality BBs, or it will jam. Most AEGs come stock with 6.08mm diameter barrels. Systema make 6.04mm, Star make 6.05mm, Guarder make 6.04mm, prometheus make 6.03mm, Deepfire makes 6.04mm, Madbull makes 6.03mm, KM makes 6.04 with a special TN coating, which increases the FPS by 10+-, Dees Custom make 6.01mm, and PDI the best make 6.01mm from steel.

Spring. The stronger your spring, the higher the velocity the piston can be forced forward at. Don't fit a high powered spring with standard internals as you are likely to damage the gears or piston. Guarder and PDI springs are best. Systema can crack easily but prometheus is also good, although their "unique" coloring wears off after a while, damaging your gears. Most springs besides PDI are rated in metres per second, so a M100 spring is 100 metres per second or 328 feet per second.

Spring Guide. This stops the spring from jumping into the gear case. Marui guns come with plastic guides as standard but Guarder, Systema and Prometheus make steel ones. If it has spacers it will increase your muzzle velocity.

Cylinder. The cylinder is the area in which the air is compressed before being forced down the barrel. Bigger cylinders let you use a longer barrel. You can also get telfon-coated cylinders which will give a slight increase of Rate Of Fire (ROF), to my knowledge about 100 rounds per minute. This part isn't upgraded much as most guns come with good ones. For a budget gun one get a teflon coated Area 1000 cylinder.

Cylinder Head.
Changing this part will either silence your gun (if you get a Systema or Angel damped head) or give a better air seal.

Air Nozzle.
The air nozzle is the part that pushes the bb into the Hop Up Chamber. It is also needed to seal the airflow from the cylinder head to the BB, so some have internal 'O' rings like Guarder.

Piston.
The piston compresses the air in the cylinder. It is essentially a flat-toothed gear. It is wound back by the motor and then forced forward at high speed by the spring, compressing the air in front of it. It therefore is subject to tremendous pressure. Metal pistons are good for Semi-Auto AEGs but if fired in Full Auto they may strip the gears. G&P, Guarder,and Deep Fire make good ones. Prometheus is OK with some mods. The Super Core Piston made by System (not to be confused with Systema) is probably the best of all, but is hard to find outside Japan.

Piston Head.
The piston head seals the air into the cylinder. You can get good and bad ones. Classic Army and most clones generally have poor piston heads. You can also get silent ones to quiet your gun and bearing ones to increase the muzzle velocity. G&P, Systema, and Prometheus make good ones.

Gears. The gears are a very important and expensive part of the rifle. Don't be tempted to buy cheap gears, as you will probably end up paying a lot more to fix the gearbox when they break. If you are upgrading to high powered springs or hi-speed/torque motors opt for steel gears. If you want high ROF you can buy high speed gears from Prometheus, Systema and Guarder. Systema, Guarder and Prometheus make high torque as well. Most of these are helical which means the teeth are at an angle. If you use these you need a half toothed piston. They are also harder to shim correctly. You have 3 gears, the sector, bevel and spur gears.

Bushings. The bushes keep the gears in places and are what the gears rotate on. If they break the gears will probably strip. The bigger the bushing the better. Most guns ship with plastic 6mm bushes fitted. If you upgrade go for metal bushes and if you are looking for higher ROF or torque, get a new gearbox casing that will take 7mm or 8mm bushes.

Shims. The shims are used to keep the gears aligned and correctly meshing. Incorrect shimming will lead to increased gear wear or failure.

The tappet plate pulls the air nozzle back to let the BB in. If it snaps your gun will not feed. TM stock and ANGEL are the best. A Chinese brand called World-Element also makes decent ones for a good price.

Anti-Reversal Latch. This latch stops the gears from spinning backwards and damaging the gun. Systema and Prometheus make aftermarket versions.

Cut off LeverThis stops the gears so you can fire Semi-Auto. If it does break or wear you will only have Automatic fire.

Sector Chip
. Guns don't come stock with these but they essentially keep the tappet plate back longer so the BBs feed better. They have no negative side effects and will not break.

Motor. You can opt for hi-speed or torque. Don't put a hugely powerful motor in a standard gun and hope it will work. You will strip the gears or piston. The Systema Magnum and Turbo are excellent. The G&P M120 and M160 are great as well.

Battery. The higher the voltage, the higher your ROF will be. The higher the Milliampere-Hour rating (mAH), the more BBs you can fire per charge (as a rule of thumb for a fairly standard gun, 1 mAH = 1 shot). Intellect, G&P, Sanyo and Elite are great. Most chinese guns come with poor batteries. Do not go for the highest power battery you can find straight away, as the voltage may be too high for your current setup and may damage components. Search the net and airsoft forums for advice on battery selection. 12volt= INSANE performance. Many guns even upgraded cannot handle these batteries. KWA KM4A1 can handle a 16volt battery... but the BB's hit each other in the barrel.
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A LOT of that turns into opinion. And a lot of it is wrong when it comes to "what is good/bad". I wouldn't take this as with any sort reliability.

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Bullshiat. The KWA M4 can't seem to handle 8.4/9.6 for very long, no way in hell it can handle a 16volt
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Bullshiat. The KWA M4 can't seem to handle 8.4/9.6 for very long, no way in hell it can handle a 16volt
I second that. As someone that has broken TWO of them, they are no stronger than an ordinary AEG, and just as prone to failure.

I appreciate the post and understand that you are trying to help, but this is why you shouldn't trust anything from Wiki. If you are willing to edit it and take out the parts that are subjective, I'd be willing to help and replace your original post.
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Can we get one of these for sniper rifles? I know they are different enough that a seperate guide for them could be useful for anyone wanting to upgrade or learn about sniper rifles?
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Can we get one of these for sniper rifles? I know they are different enough that a seperate guide for them could be useful for anyone wanting to upgrade or learn about sniper rifles?
Barrel. The tighter the barrel the better your accuracy and consistency will be. PDI, Laylax and Dees Custom make them. Marui also makes a precision barrel and chamber set which is quite good.

Hop Up Rubber. The Hop Up Rubber gives the BB back-spin increasing the range and accuracy. GET A GOOD ONE. Nine Ball and FireFly make good ones.

Piston. The piston compresses the air in the cylinder. Some have air brake
s which silence the gun but this reduces the power. The lighter and stronger your piston the better.

Spring. The stronger the spring, the faster the piston is forced forward, and the higher the muzzle velocity. Get a good quality one. Laylax make great ones.

Hop Up Chamber. Most clone and chinese guns come with poor chambers. Getting a good one will greatly improve accuracy. The Marui precision one for the VSR-10 is excellent.

Piston head. The piston head forces the air into the barrel, propelling your BB. For the VSR-10, PDI and Laylax make good ones.

Spring Guide. This stops the spring from jumping about. Most guns come with plastic ones. Get a metal one and it will last longer.

Cylinder. If you get a teflon or polished cylinder you will have a easier bolt pull. Teflon on your cylinder means you don't need to lube it.

Bolt Handle. If you have a big bolt handle it will be easier to cock your gun. Guarder makes them for the L96 and APS2. PSS10 makes them for the VSR-10.

Trigger sear. Don't be tempted to get a cheap trigger sear. If you fit a very strong spring change your trigger seat. It keeps the gun cocked. If it breaks your gun will not cock.

Piston sear. Catches the piston and is supported by the trigger sear. Has a lot less strain put on it than the trigger sear.

Spring Guide Stopper. Keeps the cylinder in place. You should also upgrade this when increasing the muzzle velocity.

Trigger mechanism. The best triggers are zero trigger. They require only a light trigger pull and are very strong. Comes with a spring guide stopper, piston sear and trigger sear.

Look through the whole source GeneralPoraboo posted. That's why I asked for it.
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Really? You're pulling from the same damn place?

Did we learn nothing?

That is a HORRID "help list".
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I've seen them on the "wiki" sites. But I've learned from this site not to trust them. Maybe someone with sniper rifle experience could write one up?
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I would never listen to EVERYTHING whoever made the wiki said, but its good basic knowledge, especially for those who have no idea what any of the parts are. However, I agree with everything Lou and Randy said. I wouldn't just go out and buy the Magnum motor or KWA M16 just because one wiki said to.
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Really? You're pulling from the same damn place?

Did we learn nothing?

That is a HORRID "help list".
I agree, but he asked, and he read through the whole thread too.
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If nobody is willing to help straighten this out, I will lock and delete this thread in a week.

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We don't need to help circulate bad/misleading information.
I'm no expert on internals, but with help, I'd be happy to work on a better version of this. Anyone else willing to do some work too?
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I'm no expert on internals, but with help, I'd be happy to work on a better version of this. Anyone else willing to do some work too?
I think if we just edit out the opinionated stuff, it will be accurate enough, just get it down to the basics.
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I think if we just edit out the opinionated stuff, it will be accurate enough, just get it down to the basics.
That's what I'm thinking too, but before I touch anything, if someone who is an expert in internals could verify what's good info and what needs to be changed I'd be happy to find better information in lieu of what's misleading.
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Here's my shot, and I'm basing this off personal experience:


Hop Up Bucking is the part that puts back spin on the bb. Any little piece of rubber that comes down into the barrel will work. What makes one good or bad is dependent on your gun. Some need thin-walled buckings to even fit into the hop unit. Some need fat-walled buckings to fit into hop units snugly, and you want them to fit snugly for a good air seal. Buckings I pick from when I'm looking for the best one for a particular gun: Prometheus purples, Systemas, Maruis, Guarders, and CAs. I have never had ANY luck with ANY hard bucking or any gimmick bucking (Sharks, Vs, Firefly 3 nubs, etc.)


Hop Up Chamber. The one that came with your gun is probably the best. Hop up problems include improper feeding, poor airseal, and poor accuracy. When I worry that one is bad, I try three or four or five different hop units until I find one that works to my satisfaction. I've found the BEST airseals ever in the two piece ones (Marui, Echo, JG.) The worst hop units are the CAs cause they usually can't hold their hop until the adjust wheel is made so that it will not move from just from firing the gun. Hop units I experiment with when search for the "best" hop up unit for a particular gun include: Systemas, G&Ps, CAs, G&Gs, and CA Sportline units from their plastic models.


Barrel. If ALL buckings/hop unit combinations yield crappy bb flight, then it's time to try a new barrel. TIGHTBORES DO NO GUARANTY MORE ACCURACY. The best, most accurate barrel I ever saw was a WELL USED Marui. Which barrel is best still comes down to which is best for the particular gun. Here again, you have to try many barrels until you get the performance you desire. When I am looking for the "best" barrel for a certain gun, I try these: Systema, Marui, KM TN, Prometheus, Classic Army Sportline blues, and PDIs. Length of barrel also does not imply better accuracy unless you are talking a MP5k barrel versus a M4 barrel. Some of the most accurate barrels I ever saw were 363mm M4 length barrels. 509mms and 650mm barrels will not guarantee more accuracy. Longer barrels usually DO mean more fps, like 10 to 15 depending. And going from a 6.08mm barrel to a 6.04mm barrel will usually get you and additional 10-15 more fps too.


Spring. The stronger your spring, the more power is transferred the piston yielding more pressure in the air headed for the barrel. Don't fit a high powered spring without the internals to handle it. You are likely to strip your piston's/gears teeth. Marui internals can handle up to a M100 spring reliably. CA/G&G/Echo/JG gears can handle up to a M120 spring. If you go above M120, you need to get much better pistons and gears. Guarder springs are good, but they are usually one spring stronger than the average (Guarder SP110 = Prometheus M120.) PDI spring are really good, but you never really trust what you're getting in the package (a PDI150 is usually a PDI150, a PDI170 sometimes is actually a PDI150, and a PDI190 can be anything from a PDI170 toa PDI260.) Systema M120s area little weaker than normal and their M130s do tend to break. Prometheus' are the most consistant out of the package (a M110 will almost always make a TM M4 do 350 to 370 and a M120 will almost always make a TM M4 do 390 to 410 fps.) Some older Promys do have a coating that comes off and "dusts" your gearbox, but I've never had a gearset fail from it though. Most springs other than PDI are rated in metres per second, so a M100 spring is 100 metres per second or 328 feet per second, but like I said before, you can't always count on them to be EXACT.


Spring Guide. Keeps the spring aligned to the hole in the back of the piston. Marui guns come with plastic guides as standard but Guarder, Systema and Prometheus make steel ones. If it has spacers it will increase your muzzle velocity. A bearing on it helps reduce wear and tear on the spring due to relieving the stress from twitsing during operation (they also add 10fps or so.) The plastic guides on Maruis hold up okay until you go over a M110 spring. Any solid metal guide without the bearing will be better than plastic. I don't recommend any bearing-style spring guides other than Systema, Prometheus, Guarder, and Classic Army.


Cylinder. The cylinder is the area in which the air is compressed before being forced through the cylinder head/nozzle/hop up unit/bucking and then the barrel. Telfon-coated cylinders should give a slight increase of Rate Of Fire (ROF.) Good names in aftermarket cylinders are: Area 1000, Systema, Prometheus, and Guarder. The big deal with cylinders is that they need to match your barrel. A M16/509mm barrelled gun should have a cylinder with no hole. Same with an AK's 455mm. An M4's 363mm barrelled gun should have a cylinder with a hole in it about 2/3 back away from the cylinder head. An MP5 (especially a K) should have a hole in it near the middle. Otherwise the bb leaves the barrel before the piston is all the way down and then the piston travels that last little bit with no resistance (sort of like dry firing.) Exception: CA M4 with crappy hop up unit air seal - use a no-hole cylinder to make up for the air lost.


Cylinder Head. Use teflon tape around it's o-ring if it doesn't fit tight into the cylinder. If it doesn't fit tight into the cylinder, you're probably losing air. Usually the one that came with your gun is best. If going to a M130 spring or higher you should get a metal one due to the increased power with which the piston head hits the cylinder head (plastic just might not be able to take that.) Good cylinder heads are: Area 1000, Systema, Guarder, Prometheus. "Silenced" piston heads don't silence your gun, it just makes the gearbox quieter in operation due to the fact that the blow that the piston head gives the cylinder head is spread out over a larger surface area.


Air Nozzle. The air nozzle is the part that pushes the bb into the Hop Up Chamber. It is also needed to seal the airflow from the cylinder head to the BB, so some have internal 'O' rings like Systema/Prometheus/Guarder. It also pushes up against the hop bucking, hopefully making a good seal there too making ALL that compressed air go into bucking/barrel. The nozzle must move absolutely FREELY on the cylinder head, even to the point where it feels slightly loose. Otherwise, any resistance there might hold back the nozzle from FULLY AND FIRMLY pushing up against the hop bucking.


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One suggestion, can you put a chart in for spring number to fps? I never really could find anything on it...and this is a beginners guide too. Just a suggestion.

Looks great though!
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  • Hop Up Bucking
    The hop up bucking creates the air seal with the air nozzle and imparts a back spin onto the bb.
  • Hop Up Chamber
    The Hop Up Chamber houses the bucking and handles feeding the BBs from the magazine to the barrel.
  • Barrel
    The barrel controls the trajectory of the BB. Stock barrels are generally 6.11 to 6.07 mm in diameter. Tighter diameter barrels will provide more consistency between shots and may increase FPS. Tighter barrels have a higher chance of jamming with low quality BBs.
  • Spring
    The spring provides the energy storage to push the piston forward, compressing the air behind the BB. The spring is the most significant factor on the FPS of a gun. A stronger spring necessitates stronger internals, primarily metal bushings instead of stock plastic ones and very strong springs may require a piston with metal teeth or a torque up gear set.
  • Spring Guide
    The spring guide prevents the spring from jumping into the gear case. Many stock guns come with a plastic spring guide, which may break with the installation of a stronger spring. Metal spring guides are available. Bushings or bearings on the spring guide will pre-compress the spring, increasing the power of the spring at the cost of ROF.
  • Cylinder
    The cylinder is the area in which the air is compressed before being forced down the barrel. Bore up kits are available, which increase the diameter of the clyinder slightly, allowing for very long barrels (>600mm), but are otherwise not necessary.
  • Cylinder Head
    The cylinder head seals end of the cylinder and houses the air nozzle. Silent piston/cylinder head sets are available, but their performance is debated.
  • Air Nozzle
    The air nozzle pushes the bb into the hop up chamber and creates the air seal between the cylinder and barrel.
  • Piston
    The piston rides on rails inside the mechbox and compresses against the spring. It has a rack of gear teeth on the bottom that are engaged by the sector gear. It is wound back by the motor and then released forward at high speed by the spring, compressing the air in front of it. It therefore is subject to tremendous pressure.
  • Piston Head
    The piston head attaches to the front of the piston seals the air into the cylinder. Silent piston/cylinder heads are available, but their performance is debated.
  • Gears
    There are three gears that wind back the piston. The bevel gear connects the motor to the spur gear, while the sector gear connects the spur gear to the piston. Reinforced gears will stand up to higher power springs. Different gear ratios are available, for torque or Rate of Fire. Helical gears have teeth at an angle that more evenly distributes the force on the gear faces. This adds reliability to high torque applications.
  • Bushings
    The bushings allow the gears to rotate inside the mechbox. Many stock mechboxes come with plastic bushings, which should be replaced with metal ones if upgrading the spring or motor. Some mechboxes use small ball bearings in place of busings to increase rate of fire.
  • Shims
    The shims are used to keep the gears aligned and correctly meshing. Incorrect shimming will lead to increased gear wear or failure.
  • Tappet Plate
    The tappet plate connects with a notch on the sector gear to pull the air nozzle back at the correct time to feed in BBs from the magazine.
  • Anti-Reversal Latch
    This latch prevents the gears from spinning backwards under force of the spring and damaging the motor.
  • Cut off Lever
    This lever is triggered by a notch on the sector gear to disable the electrical connection after firing a shot in semi automatic. It is disabled when the mechbox is switched to automatic fire.
  • Sector Chip
    This small piece attaches to the peg on the sector gear and pulls the tappet plate and air nozzle back longer to assist with BB feeding. They are not standard and may not be necessary.
  • Motor
    The motor usually resides in the handgrip of the AEG, though it can be found in other locations on more exotic guns. Motors can be found in high torque or high speed variants. High torque motors can pull back stronger springs, while high speed motors will increase your rate of fire, but may not be able to pull back the spring if the battery voltage drops too low.
  • Battery
    The voltage of a battery determines the rate of fire of a mechbox. The MAH rating of a battery determines how long a battery will last. Batteries consist of multiple battery cells. NiCd and NiMH battery cells are rated at 1.2v each and come at different MAH ratings. More cells in a pack will increase the voltage, but not the MAH rating. 7 cell packs are 8.4v and 8 cell packs are 9.6v. LiPO batteries follow a different method of determining cells in a pack, but will still have a voltage and MAH rating that can be compared with other batteries.
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One suggestion, can you put a chart in for spring number to fps? I never really could find anything on it...and this is a beginners guide too. Just a suggestion.

Looks great though!
You won't generally find a spring to FPS chart, because FPS is dependant on many more things besides just the spring, but there's one at mechbox.com that's pretty nice
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Here's a spring fps guide. But like Bracket said, nothings exact, it's dependant on the gun.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filn...ring_guide.htm
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Thanks guys, between those two posts most people (including me) should be able to figure out what spring they want/need.
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Here's a spring fps guide. But like Bracket said, nothings exact, it's dependant on the gun.

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You won't generally find a spring to FPS chart, because FPS is dependant on many more things besides just the spring, but there's one at mechbox.com that's pretty nice
http://www.c3airsoft.com/showthread....hart-8791.html

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Piston - The piston rides on rails inside the mechbox and compresses against the spring. It has a rack of gear teeth on the bottom that are engaged by the sector gear. It is wound back by the motor and then released forward at high speed by the spring, compressing the air in front of it with it's head. It therefore is subject to tremendous pressure. The piston should be the weak link in any gearbox. It is cheaper to change a piston than a gearset or gearbox shell. If you get a bb jam, the piston is held up from going all the way down by the back pressure in the barrel. If you keep shooting on full auto, the gears will come up again and will be going in the opposite direction of the piston. This will strip any piston in a heartbeat. This is why you should only try to shoot out a bb jam on semi auto. This is also why you should never use metal pistons in a full auto capable gun. Metal piston teeth hitting metal gear teeth going in opposite directions usually leads to broken piston teeth, or WAY WORSE: knocking a tooth or two off the sector gear. Metal pistons also put more force on the front of the gearbox. It is not a good idea to put them in thin version 2 gearboxes for this reason (breaks them easily.) Best piston for the money is the Marui. Installed properly they hardly ever fail unless there's a bb jam or something. The BEST of the BEST is the Super-Core; Prometheus's and blue G&Ps are pretty damn good too, but all these cost $35 or so versus the Marui $20.

# Piston Head - The piston head attaches to the front of the piston and seals the air into the cylinder. Silent piston/cylinder heads are available, but their performance is debated. The "silent" term actually relates to internal gearbox noise if you ask me. Their surface is irregular and doesn;t give the "slap" noise of the normal flat front piston head. The best piston head is the one that provides the best airseal in the cylinder. "Ported" piston head have holes in their face that let some of the high pressure the compression creates to get in behind th piston head oring and push it out against the cylinder wall, making an even better airseal. Then when the piston pulls back, a suction happens tending to pull the oring back, minimizing any sucking tendencies/"suckback." (Suckback actually very rarely happens because the bb is usually long gone before any sucking can happen, although the longer the barrel, the more likely it might happen.) Good piston heads are Maruis (tough plastic! I port them myself with a 1/16 drill bit), Systema/Area 1000s polycarbs (although it is easy to strip their threads when installing cause they have plastic threads) Systema "silent" piston heads both Bore up and non bore up (they have metal threads, are quieter in the gearbox, soften the blow on the front of version two gearboxes, and are very tough, (I've never seen one just fail.))

# Gears - There are three gears in the gearbbox that are turned by the pinion gear on the motor and they translate that motion to a gear that pulls back and then let's go the piston (sector gear.) The middle gears is the spur gear, and the bottom gear that contacts the motor pinion gear is the bevel gear. Gears are made of many different metals. The Marui sector gear is made of soft pot-metal and is actually the item in the gearbox made to break first in MArui guns. Riot SCs gears cost $130 a set and are made of really strong steel and I can't ever see them failing unless the sector runs into a metal piston tooth as outlined above. You will find all sorts of different strength gears in between. You will need the stronger ones to stand up to higher power springs. Different gear ratios are available, for torque or Rate of Fire. Helical gears have teeth at an angle that more evenly distributes the force on the gear faces. This adds reliability to high torque applications. Pure helical gears provide even more torque and require half tooth pistons to work. Helical gears and triple torques and Super torques are best for high power, semi only sniper rifles or guns running 11.1v Lipo batterys. The stronger the spring, the more torque you should use. The more torque you go for, the lower the rate of fire you will have. Good gears imo are: Maruis with and ICS sector gear added, KWA stds, G&G stds, most gearsets you find in Echo-1s and JGs, CA aftermarket torque ups and Super Torque ups. The BEST for the money imo are Prometheus. The worst are Marui sectors and CLassic Army Pro-lines you find in their new guns.

# Bushings - The bushings hold the axles of the gears in the sides of the gearbox. Many stock mechboxes come with plastic bushings, which should be replaced with metal ones if upgrading the spring. Bushings are usually 6mm in diamter, but you can find them in 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, and 10mm. Most are solid through and through, but some bushings actually have little tiny ball bearings in them so the axle itself doesn;t rub the metal, but the metal it is in rotates with it. These are bearing style bushings. They supposedly are stronger, last longer, and reduce gear rotational resistance (increase rate of fire.) But I've had to replace many more sets of bearing style bushings than the solid types. 6mm bearing style bushings are actually kind of weak internally and should only be used for low power, high rate of fire applications. 7mm and larger bearing style bushings are good for everything. Not all brands of bushings fit in all gearboxes, sometimes the gear holes have to be opened up a bit to allow them in (they should be a little tough to get in, but only a little tough.)

# Shims - The shims are used to keep the gears aligned and correctly meshing. Shims come in .1mm, .2mm, .3mm, and .4mm thicknesses. Incorrect shimming could lead to increased gear wear, low rates of fire, batterys that die quick, hot wires, blown fuses, and/or stripped gears. You don't want the sides of the gears grinding against each other, but you also want the teeth of the individual gears to overlap as much as possible, and you want them to run smooth and freely. Thus the art of shimming.


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I'd like to thank Villain for reminding me about this...I re-wrote this in order to make it more accurate ages ago and never re-posted!

Keep in mind, this is not purely objective, I have opinions in here, take my opinions and the opinions of others with a grain of salt, this is a basic guide, once again, feel free to fix it up if you see fit, or add. Also much stated here as fact has not been widely confirmed, much is based on other forums that I read and I post others results. I wish I had saved sources for most of this, but alas it has come from the vast corners of the intarwebz.

Airsoft Acronyms

TM - Tokyo Marui
CA - Classic Army
E1 - Echo 1
DB- Dboys
JG - Jing Gong
WA - Western Arms
KJW - KJ Works (not sure what the KJ stands for)
MAN - Montgomeryville Army Navy
ASGI - Airsoft GI
AEG - Automatic Electric Gun
AOE - Angle of Engagement
ROF - Rate of Fire
FPS - Feet per Second


Hop Up Bucking- the part that puts back spin on the BB.(Also known as packing, hop-up rubber, etc.) Marui guns come with decent ones but other companies make better ones. Systema, Guarder, Prometheus and Fire Fly all make fairly decent buckings. Fire Fly makes a special one with 3 nubs in the bottom to create a better spin, and they are my preferred brand.

There are types of bucking...

Soft - used for guns shooting lower than 400 fps, softer rubber means more spin

Hard - used for guns shooting over 400 fps, harder rubber is more durable and wont tear as easily from high velocity BBs, but it also wont have as much of an effect

Medium - a few brands offer this kind of bucking, I suggest using it if your gun shoots around 380-399 fps, ONLY if a soft bucking has already ripped from the BB being to fast, like I mentioned, you want the softest bucking you can use.

Hop Up Chamber - The Hop Up Chamber houses the end tip of the barrel, bucking, and nubbing. Essentially the chamber has an adjustable arm that pushes a little plastic "nub" into the bucking, which in turn pushes the bucking into the barrel which allows the BB to come in contact with the rubber, putting spin on the BB. Some companies offer after market chambers, a new chamber is not necessary unless you are having problems with your stock chamber. Also there is no major difference from a plastic and metal chamber other than the metal one being less likely to break, but a broken chamber is RARE!

Nub - Also called nubbing/nubbin*, nubs, spacer, or buffer rubber. The nub sits on the end of an arm that is in your hop up chamber. When you adjust your hop up the arm either pushes down or pulls up from the nub, resulting or more or less hop-up.

There are different kinds of nubs...

Basic Nub - I trust this kind the most, it is essentially just a circular piece of rubber that pushes down on the bucking, they vary in terms of hardness, you want a nub that isn't too soft or too hard, a hard one will slow the BB down while a soft one will have limited effect on the spin of the BB.

H-Nub - Supposedly puts pressure on TWO points of the BB, making the BB have a more accurate trajectory.

SCS Nub - Considered the "best" nub you can get, I have tried it and disliked it. It did nothing but slow my BB down. (The science behind it is nice, it just simply does not work how it is supposed to though when I had used it. I believe Jon did not have good results when he tried it either)

Barrel - Some people change to barrels longer or tighter than their stock ones. The tighter the barrel the more FPS you will get due to less air escaping around the BB. Most AEGs come stock with 6.08mm diameter barrels. Systema makes a 6.04mm, Star makes a 6.05mm, Guarder makes a 6.04mm, Prometheus makes a 6.03mm, Deepfire makes a 6.04mm, Madbull makes a 6.03mm and just recently started making a 6.01 mm and PDI makes the best 6.01mm from steel.

Internal smoothness and diameter consistency is also an important factor.

NOTE - The tighter bore your barrel is, the more anal you have to be about your BBs and barrel cleanliness. A dirty tight bore will clog with dirt more easily causing a jam, and BBs that aren't perfect 6mm spheres will also jam, potentially breaking the barrel or air nozzle, worst case scenario you could break your barrel, hop-up, air nozzle, and potentially even your internals! DON'T CHEAP OUT WITH BBs AND CLEAN YOUR DAMN GUN!

Spring - The stronger your spring, the higher the velocity the piston can be forced forward at. Don't fit a high powered spring with standard internals as you are likely to damage the gears or piston. PDI springs are my favorite due to their universal ranking system*. Most springs besides PDI are rated in meters per second, so a M100 spring is 100 meters per second or 328 feet per second. (One Joule)

*PDI RANKING SYSTEM: PDI rates their springs on a percentage system, 100% means your gun will shoot at 100% the power of a Tokyo Marui airsoft gun, or ~260 fps. THEREFORE a 150% spring would be 150% the power of a TM gun which would be ~350-400FPS

My favorite spring is the PDI 150%, it is high tension enough to get the range you want without hurting people and is field legal at ALL C3 fields. It also isn't so high tension that you have to upgrade your gearbox to use it! (most likely)

Spring Guide - This stops the spring from jumping into the gear case.TM guns come with plastic guides as standard, if you are going to upgrade the spring on a TM get a metal spring guide. Some companies offer spring guides with ball bearings, these will reduce the strain on your gearbox, DO NOT USE A BALL BEARING GUIDE WITH A GUN SHOOTING OVER 450FPS, THE BEARINGS MAY FAIL!

Cylinder - The cylinder is the area in which the air is compressed before being forced down the barrel. Bigger cylinders let you use a longer barrel. You can also get Teflon-coated cylinders which will give a slight increase of ROF. This part isn't upgraded much as most guns come with good ones. For a budget gun one get a Teflon coated Area 1000 cylinder.

NOTE*

For guns where the barrel is less than 455mm long, YOU NEED A PORTED CYLINDER! You have to make sure you match your inner barrel with your cylinder to regulate the air pressure. You might see a drop in fps, but it isn't going to be anything significant in performance. You will see poor performance with a non ported cylinder matched with a short barrel, like an MP5. Since there is more air pressure in the cylinder the BB leaves the barrel before the piston actually reaches all the way to the end of the cylinder head. So your BB is actually out in the air before the piston even finishes its cycle, you may as well be blowing down your barrel!

Cylinder Head
- Changing this part will either silence the air flow of your gun, if you buy a silenced cylinder head and use it in conjunction with a silenced piston head. OR increase air compression, for example switching from a single O-ring cylinder head to a double one would most likely increase compression.


Air Nozzle - The air nozzle is the part that pushes the BB into the Hop Up Chamber and guides the air into the barrel, or seal the airflow from the cylinder head to the BB, so some have internal 'O' rings like Guarder.

There is also a modification where you can add an external O-ring, I have heard good things about it but have never tried it, if you are up for experimenting you can try it out
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Piston - The piston compresses the air in the cylinder. It is essentially a flat-toothed gear. It is wound back by the motor and then forced forward at high speed by the spring, compressing the air in front of it. It therefore is subject to tremendous pressure. Metal pistons are good for Semi-Auto AEGs but if fired in Full Auto they may strip the gears. The Super Core Piston made by System (not to be confused with Systema) is the strongest of them all...however many polycarbonate pistons have been proven to be just as strong and much cheaper.

There are also three mods that can be done to a piston...

1) AOE Mod - Probably one of the most useful piston mods, the AOE mod helps prevent piston breaking by increasing the amount of area the piston engages with on the sector gear, meaning there is less a chance of piston teeth being stripped by the sector gear. The mod involves putting pads/washers, really anything between the piston head and piston that can expand the length of the piston. The only draw back to the AOE mod is that you lose about 10-20 FPS due to the piston being moved further into the cylinder meaning less air is compressed.

2) "Swiss Cheesing" - Swiss cheesing involves using a Dremel to cut out all non essential parts of the piston, thus reducing the weight of the piston increasing your ROF. A risky mod if performed incorrectly, can lead to pistons shattering. Apparent good results if you have a steady hand and know what you are doing, I wouldn't do this on your primary, or if you have a high FPS set up

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3) Short Stroking - Involves removing first two or three rear teeth of the piston (they aren't needed for a piston to complete its cycle) this increases the ROF and can also prevent pistons from breaking on a high ROF set up, as high ROF guns (usually) grind the rear to teeth off the piston anyway


Piston Head - The piston head seals the air into the cylinder. You can get good and bad ones. Classic Army and most clones generally have poor piston heads. You can also get silent ones to quiet the air flow of your gun, as well as bearing ones which when used in conjunction with a bearing spring guide can also decrease the stress on your gearbox.

Two kinds of piston heads...

1) Polycarbonate Piston Heads - put less stress on the gearbox which is needed in a high FPS set up (500+ FPS), contributes to the distinct sewing machine sound of an AEG. MUST USE A POLYCARB PISTON HEAD IF YOU USE A TEFLON CYLINDER!

2) Metal Piston Heads - generally produce a louder more distinct sound than polycarb piston heads

Gears - The gears are a very important and expensive part of the rifle. Don't be tempted to buy cheap gears, as you will probably end up paying a lot more to fix the gearbox when they break. If you are upgrading to high powered springs or hi-speed/torque motors get for steel gears. If you want high ROF you can buy high speed gears from Prometheus, Systema and Guarder. Systema, Guarder and Prometheus make high torque as well. Most of these are helical which means the teeth are at an angle. If you use these you need a half toothed piston. They are also harder to shim correctly. You have 3 gears, the sector, bevel and spur gears.

Modify makes AMAZING modular gearsets, in both high torque (for 400+ FPS) and highspeed sets. Their sets are practically indestructable and perform very well, not to mention they are preshimmed, have built in stainless steel bushings, and are correctly timed. They are also are bracketed together, takes the work out of gear installation, and you are guaranteed to get maximum speed and efficiency out of your gun!

Pinion Gear - This gear is attached to the motor and is what drives your gear set. This gear commonly strips ESPECIALLY in a high ROF set-up or if gears are shimmed improperly. THIS GEAR CANNOT BE CHANGE WITHOUT A PINION GEAR REMOVER! YOU WILL BREAK YOUR MOTOR PERMANENTLY IF YOU TRY TO REMOVE THIS GEAR WITHOUT THE PROPER TOOL!
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Bushings - The bushings keep the gears in places and are what the gears rotate on. If they break the gears will probably strip. The bigger the bushing the better. Most guns ship with plastic 6mm bushes fitted. If you upgrade go for metal bushes and if you are looking for higher ROF or torque, get a new gearbox casing that will take 7mm or 8mm bushes.

TM has nylon bushings stock, while those perform great for the low FPS stock set ups, they will break if you upgrade ANYTHING in your gun that will increase the torque on the gears, CHANGE THEM TO STAINLESS STEEL!

Shims - The shims are used to keep the gears aligned and correctly meshing. Incorrect shimming will lead to increased gear wear or failure. Guarder makes good shims.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filn...Fshimguide.htm <-- Great baseline for shimming

NOTE* You should re-shim your gears EVERY TIME you open your gearbox and change anything, it is a great precaution! Remember, measure twice cut once, ALWAYS BE PATIENT when shimming gears, it will save you time and money in the long run.

Tappet Plate - pulls the air nozzle back to let the BB in. If it snaps your gun will not feed. TM stock and ANGEL are supposedly good, but don't go replacing your tappet plate unless yours is already broken. Changing your tappet plate won't increase performance, just reliability if anything at all.

SCARS have notorious tappet plate failures though, so you may want to replace those BEFORE they break.

Anti-Reversal Latch - This latch stops the gears from spinning backwards and damaging the gun. Systema and Prometheus make aftermarket versions, most stock latches are fine however. BE SURE TO SET THIS LATCH IN PLACE IF YOU ARE OPENING YOUR GEARBOX!

Cut off Lever - This stops the gears so you can fire Semi-Auto. If it does break or wear you will only have Automatic fire.

Sector Chip - Guns don't come stock with these but they essentially keep the tappet plate back longer so the BBs feed better. They have no negative side effects and will not break.

Motor - You can opt for hi-speed or torque. Don't put a hugely powerful motor in a standard gun and hope it will work. You will strip the gears or piston. The Systema Magnum and Turbo are excellent. Classic Army high torque motors are also fairly good. TM also has a wonderful motor known as the EG1000, probably the best motor for the money.

Lubing - Lubing is easy and essential! Using white lithium grease liberally coat your gears with a thin layer of it, then using a silicon based grease (not spray) put a thin layer, about 1mm thick on the inside of your cylinder and with a q-tip lubricate the piston rails and ALL O-rings in your gun with a tiny bit of silicon grease

Battery - The higher the voltage, the higher your ROF will be. The higher the Milliampere-Hour rating (mAH), the more BBs you can fire per charge (as a rule of thumb for a fairly standard gun, 1 mAH = 1 shot). Intellect and Elite are great. Most chinese guns come with poor batteries. Do not go for the highest power battery you can find straight away, as the voltage may be too high for your current setup and may damage components. 12volt = really high ROF and electrical demands. Many guns even upgraded cannot handle these batteries.

Batteries with too great voltage can lead to...

Electrical Damage - Higher voltage means more power, more power means more energy, more energy means more heat, you follow? Say I throw a 20v battery in my gun, here is what will likely happen...

1) The battery melts
2) The connector melts
3) The wiring melts
4) The solder melts
5) The trigger assembly melts (place where the current jumps from copper connector to motor, essentially telling your gun when to shoot)

Notice the pattern? DON'T OVERDUE YOUR VOLTAGE!

Gear Wear - Higher voltage means higher ROF. A higher ROF set up will lead to more wear on your gears and piston. You have no room for error on a gun shooting fast, do everything right the first time or get ready to spend money if you got a high ROF set-up.

BBs - Good BBs are essential, bad BBs will break your gun faster than you can say LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! As a test of BB quality, take a pair of needle nose pliers and try to crush the BB. You can get a sense of the BBs construction based on how it crushes, also avoid BBs with noticeable air-bubbles or seams.

There are a few brands I trust, all these BBs should work fine and never fail you (listed in my opinion, greatest to worst)

1) Goldenball, never had an issue with them, they are the smoothest most perfectly crafted BBs I have ever seen

2) Airsoft Elite, pretty much in the same boat as Goldenball, easier to find though

3) KSC - good BBs for a good price

4) Firepower - again, good BBs for a good price, easy to find

I have heard that the new King Arms BBs that have just been released are quite good too, MAN carries them for a good price

BRANDS NOT TO TRUST

- Crosman
- ANY .12g BBs
- Did I mention Crosman?
- Anything you can find at Walmart


Sources for DIY Repair/Upgrading

http://mechbox.com/

http://pageproducer.arczip.com/daedalus03/workshop.html

My Favorite Retailers

East Coast

http://montarmynavy.com/ <-- Local PA store, you should all know about it already

http://trinityairsoft.com/

http://shortyusa.com/

http://airsoftatlanta.com/ <-- My favorite online airsoft store

http://cheapbatterypacks.com/ <--- great for custom batteries and cables

West Coast

http://AirsoftGI.com/ <-- Not the greatest customer service and terrible shipping, they do carry A LOT though

http://Evike.com/ <-- Sort of in the same boat of ASGI, a bit better

http://Airsoftextreme.com/ <-- Great retailer, also sponsors of C3

http://militaryclothing.com/ <-- very cheap site to buy your clothing from, not a bad selection of boots either

http://uscav.com/ <--- another good tac gear site

International

http://redwolfairsoft.com/ (pay with paypal internationally, makes things easier)

http://www.ratech.com.tw/eng_ra/intro.php <-- great GBBR parts

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/
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