I was wondering if we could try something new. What I am thinking is could we have a sub-forum in the reviews part of the forums, consisting of people's experiences with certain guns. The reason I would like to have this is because I see a gun I like and I have no information on the gun's reliability, material, performance, potential issues, or potential upgrades/ compatibility with aftermarket parts.
These are not supposed to be full on reviews but an archive of summaries of all different guns consisting of, performance, current problems, Pros/Cons, how long has it been working before having to fix it, and a couple of pictures showing your gun.
/ Electric Blow back guns: Is it reliable?, is there any "recoil"?, what engine is it?(TM shock, Pneumatic, piston driven?)
What I wish to achieve is an archive full of information on guns.
Also I think this could decrease the question, "I is this gun good?" on the forums.
And help on decisions on which manufacturer to buy from, Ect.
How is this going to be better than just posting in the General area and using the search feature?
I think it could help with organization, and hopefully limit the amount of questions asking about specific guns. I imagine we could get quite a database going.
How is this going to be better than just posting in the General area and using the search feature?
Because if I want to see if a gun is considered "good", there is usually one thing said about it or nothing at all, and then I have to make a new thread, or blindly buy a possibly horrible gun.
Anther way phrase this is, instead of clogging up the forums with "is this gun good?", I can just go to the sub-forum find my gun in question and see others experiences on that manufacturer's product. Or I can add my experiences with my guns.
Last edited by DoubleTom : 04-06-2010 at 07:34 PM.
I think this is a really good idea because I know that I've come across guns that I have liked but then not found enough reliable information to decide to buy it or not. Good thinking!
Hmmmmmm I think there is something similar to this............
I think they are called reviews Tom.
Reviews take at least 6 months to completely process. Also there not many reviews even written, and that is one or two people sharing just their experiences. What this does is give multiple summaries on the current well being of their guns, and creates a general majority of whether the gun proves to be "good" or not.
I really don't want to wait that long to make decision on a gun...
Last edited by DoubleTom : 04-06-2010 at 08:02 PM.
Reviews take at least 6 months to completely process.
So your saying experiences with guns take 1 day to process? I don't think so tom. With any gun it takes some time to tell your experience with it. A kwa for example may be amazing 1 day but don't say it's amazing when the gearbox shell cracks a couple months later :)
So your saying experiences with guns take 1 day to process? I don't think so tom. With any gun it takes some time to tell your experience with it. A kwa for example may be amazing 1 day but don't say it's amazing when the gearbox shell cracks a couple months later :)
I said current well being of your gun(After some amount of games), I do not mean one day.
My KWA M4 CQB:
Life span 1 game until fixed and going strong for 6 months (- winter months)
average 365 FPS
~17+ RPS on 9.6v
mags used- KWA high caps (Great) and Mag brand mid caps (first shots double feed some times)
Externals- High quality polymer and metal body, no shakes or rattles at all. (Very sturdy)
Pros:
High RPM/RPS
Amazing external material
just right fps (CQB version)
Cons:
minor failure in first game (fixed)
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You put a review on here then deleted it. So don't act like you wern't involved.
This was a simple idea all I wanted was to hear what people thought and you had to start a flame war over the simple fact that you don't like it. you told me you don't like it, that's all I need.
Mods, please close or let this die.
Or if you guys that want to still voice your opinion, continue posting
Thanks,
Tom
Last edited by DoubleTom : 04-06-2010 at 08:42 PM.
Alright... thats great. But it is gone, so maybe you should have... deleted YOUR post as well? Whatever don't give me more crap about it and lets let you and the mods tell Tom what he thinks some more. Let it go.
Flame war's are for immature persons. This isn't a flame war this is me simply telling your wrong.
Also to whom ever gave me bad reputation on this thread, don't give me bad reputation and tell me "wow stop man". I find that a irresponsible use of the rep system in my opinion.
You are not telling me wrong because I am not wrong about anything at the moment. You see no "review" there even though you DID before for a quick 10 seconds. I actually do believe this is a flame war. Because you're flaming on something thats'... NOT THERE.
Don't give anybody crap about rep system "abuse". If you have a problem, take it up with a mod.
I never called it abuse, I called it irresponsible for who ever gave me that bad rep. The point is that it was and still is there and was visible to the community at one point and I read it and understood it. It is still there, the Admins/Mods have the power to repost it. So stop saying its not there when it is.
I see what Tom is trying to get to, he wants people to get into the idea of posting short, quick rundowns of an airsoft gun, yeah it's a review but it's not like those reviews that take two hours to read. Just a quick paragraph. I like the idea Tom.
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I kinda see what Tom is getting at, but I don't see how it's any more useful than the current review section. Since most people don't use the search feature anyway and the first thing new members ask, sometimes even before they post their own intro is, "I'm just getting into airsoft. I want x gun but am only willing to pay xx dollars" or "Is this gun any good," there's no point in creating an extra section that people may not even use. In fact, the only way I do see it being used is when people are told to go to that section. So if someone posts "Which gun is the bestest" and someone else takes the time to reply "check the _____ section on the forum," why not just answer the person's question since you already took the time to reply?
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I realize what Tom is getting at but, this is really all covered in the review section.
The purpose of the review section is to help our your fellow airsofter's make educated decisions, we can only get out good information from that section if you/we/I put good information into it. That is why the Reviews have such stringent guidelines to post a review in the first place. Such as have use with a review and posting continued use updates for a significant period of time/use after purchase. If you/we/I are NOT finding the information you want in the review forum then redouble your efforts in posting reviews! If you have one started, UPDATE IT If a Review is going on a specific replica that you have and you can add something meaningful to the review, even if its not your review, by all means ADD that information Again, the review section of this forum is better than most others on the web because it is based on use not first impressions. But we only have that information if YOU/we/I post it!
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Call me crazy, but I actually think this is a good idea.
It's based on the theory that many Airsofters own guns, but won't write a full review because of the effort involved. By instead having a system that could allow you to easily rate guns and aggregate the results, we could collect more data from the masses than from the few who take the time to write full reviews.
It's still not going to happen, but it's not a bad idea.
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Call me crazy, but I actually think this is a good idea.
It's based on the theory that many Airsofters own guns, but won't write a full review because of the effort involved. By instead having a system that could allow you to easily rate guns and aggregate the results, we could collect more data from the masses than from the few who take the time to write full reviews.
It's still not going to happen, but it's not a bad idea.
Ahhhh here's the problem. Given the format, you're going to get a flood of reviews like every Airsoft Retailer has. "I've own this gun for 5 minutes and it's awesome!" "I have this gun on order, it's GREAT!"
If we could regulate it, sure... but that's a lot of work because someone is too lazy/disinterested to put the effort into putting together a comprehensive opinion with photos.
EDIT: Additionally ,there's no real payoff. If someone is too lazy to actually search for the gun NOW, why would they suddenly decide that this repository of "quik-views" is worth looking at?
I understand there is a difference between reviews and what you are saying Tom, but essentially what you are describing are AirsoftGI (Shortyusa, Atlanta, whatever) reviews. I can't speak for everyone, but I 99% ignore that crap because that's what it is, crap. Like Randy is saying, it's mostly, "ZOMG FULL METAL ECHO STAG! POW POW, 450 FPS!".
When I read a review on this website or other equivalent sites, I can make a more educated decision because I can see from the amount covered and user time in the review that the person actually knows what they are talking about.
Here are some examples of disaster "opinion threads" that could spam that sub-forum:
Ex 1:
"FPS: well 360 is good for CQB but other than that don't think about trying to take it on a field.
ROF: I am sorry, ECHO 1 which is supposedly not as good as ICS is coming out with guns that already do this and you can put 9.6v batteries in them too! So why pay the extra money. Plus, Classic Army sportlines are bragging of higher ROF with 8.4 and costs 50 dollars less!
Range: Well it isn't bad, but it really isn't good either. Just like every other stat. But once again, if CQB is your goal then it is okay, but CA sportlines are getting the same range.
Trademarks: Now this is probably the best part of this gun, sadly. It has awesome looking trademarks and the gun is rather nice to hold and look at. But looks are performance.
Weight: It is light! I am surprised because it does sport some beefy internals, but overall this gun is light and will be easy to carry around in a very long day!
OVERALL: I have to say this, if you are doing CQB then it is a decent gun but certainly not a GREAT gun."
Ex 2: "Lets just start this off saying wow, what an amazing gun. Echo 1 really has stepped up there game with this gun. I just got this gun today and what can I say, holding it up next to the real M4A1 there was little differences. The feel of this gun is so realistic it feels like im holding the real thing. If your looking for a perfect (full metal) AEG under $250.00, this is definatley it!
Disclaimer-
I have not shot the gun yet but Airsoft GI's test put my barrel velcity around 380 feet per second
Pros:
Full Metal
Echo 1
Functioning Charging Handle
Realistic feel and weight
Removable Carrying Handle
Cons:
Stock and Magazing wobbles a bit so be careful
Weight (only when treking around in scenarios)"
Last edited by CaribouLou45 : 05-23-2010 at 07:28 PM.
I see the potential benefit of something like a rating system. Ie. reliability 5, weight 4, etc. If I am looking for a new gun, I can look at the rating system decide if I'm interested, and then read the full review. The rating system allows many people to contribute, lemon weapons can be averaged out, but the issue of spams posts can be more or less avoided under a one full review system.
The issue is that I am not sure if it can be implemented because I don't know the limitations of the site. The down and dirty way that I can think of using just the current poll system is to make an option per rating (say a rating of one to five) for every trait under review (for example, accuracy, cost, weight, reliability). From there the results can be averaged into one number per trait.
That's still a review...
