im sorry to say but these rights you are all so fond of donot exist. I mena we all have rights but wiht rights also come problems sometimes bad and sometimes not so bad.
we have the right to bear arms but not in public with out a licence. we have a right to brandish a weapon but only in a live or death situation. we have a rigth to buy airsoft guns and replica weapons, but as i said before you should be reading your rifle and pistol manual, again donot brandish in public as this could violate certain township and city codes.
now you can agrue that this is wrong and his rights were violated btu do me a favor call your local township police department and ask them the rules and laws of having a firearm fake or real in public. Then go around and ask your neighbors and even some strangers there opinion on this. i think youll find that if people think I'm gay alot of people agree you should be allowed to have it in public at your own house, But alot wont because they know the panic it will cause.
Also i dont know why we all even have to debate this. it is commom airsoft practice to keep the guns out of public eye unless at a feild, and to have barrel socks and what not. sence when the hell did half of you become toatle flakes, and no i will not say im sorry for any harsh language towards someone or tone. people will learn real fast that if you ****up like we warn you not to that you willl get in trouble. point simple work on and show your guns off in your home. do not take them out side unless the neighbors or ok, 2 you know the town laws and codes, and 3 the police are aware you are bringing it out.
now im not talking bout taking it to games, and im not asking for anyone to take this post apart and look for a valid argument because you don have one. rules are simple try and bend them they break and you get in touble simple as that.
like light fighter said im also done with this post cause it will be like talking to a wall and waiting for a responce.
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Lesson learned here kids, DO NOT BRANDISH AND KIND OF REPLICA FIREARM IN PUBLIC. Fake or not, an officer has to react as if it were real. Next time, keep it in the house.
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I'm sorry, but what did you expect? We post news stories of people doing stupid stuff with airsoft all the time. This crap is unfortunately too common.
You were sitting on your porch with what looked like a real gun. The orange tip doesn't mean anything. If you look like you have a gun, then the police will treat you like you have a gun. They don't screw around with armed people in public. What were you charged with?
You did something stupid and got in trouble. Fortunately, nobody got hurt and you are getting off light. I do appreciate you posting about it here, though. Perhaps your experience can serve as a warning to others.
I think this one pretty much summed up his original post "my first airsoft arrest" ....If your not mature or have the COMMON sense enough to know that a replica weapon (be it a gun, knife, whatever) in public or plain view would be considered a REAL threat?! I don't think any amount of explanation will help them see the light.
There's an old saying....."Never get into a battle of wits with someone who is clearly unarmed"
Listen, Gene, I am sorry you got tackled, and I am not really sure what storm troopered means, but again, that sucks. What you did wasn't bright, and neither was coming here to the forums to complain, but I am sure almost every person here has at least once fired an airsoft gun in their backyard, and I am sure a hand full of us have been stopped or caught by the police.
That said, the hardcore airsoft guys here are as close to expert as you really get in airsoft, and "newby mistakes" like this are going to get you lashed by them. I have been on the receiving end more than once, and although never smacked with anything like a charge for brandishing a gun, I know how it feels to be emotionally crapped upon. Now, to all of the revered and all-mighty airsoft gurus on this forum, please calm down a little bit. Not to step out of line, but you are being a little harsh. No, I don't like it when new guys come on the forum and post stuff like this thread, but to essentially bash the guy and call him stupid is not doing anything for anyone. Trust me, he already learned his lesson, he got locked up and probably scared half to death. I almost crap myself during ruitine traffic stops. Now when I crawl into a second rate hotel in Austin, Texas (where everyone brandishes REAL guns everywhere) at around midnight after two days of playing "Corps of Cadets", and I go to log onto my beloved C3 for a little Airsoft R and R, I really hate seeing young airsofters getting bashed to hell. Hey, if you know me, I am behind guns cases and safety 100%, but some of the guys here are so nasty that the rest of us are afrai to post here. I like all of you, I talk to everyone, both the young wild bloods and the old wild bloods at C3, I enjoy playing with all of you, and I think you all bring nique things to out forums, but I also think we should be a little bit nicer to each other.
Also, the cops in your area are a little ruff. A couple years ago I had an crappy m4 from a Dick's Sporting Goods and my neighbors called the cops. A cop showed up, gave me a strict lecture, then shot of a couple rounds with me. No handcuffs, no jail, no criminal charges. I was young, about 14 then, but still, I feel for you buddy. That really sucks, but you gotta learn them rules.
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What you did wasn't bright, and neither was coming here to the forums to complain
Wait wait wait wait: YOU can call his actions stupid, and it's fine. WE call his actions stupid, and we're bashing him? I don't get it. What makes you so self righteous?
Let's get something clear: He's not a "young airsofter". He's 21, Old enough to drink, old enough to drive, and old enough to know the difference between an intelligent decision and a stupid one.
And, frankly, I fail to see where he was "bashed" to hell. At no time was he ever insulted. He wasn't coddled though, either.
But, please, how SHOULD we respond? "Awww, that's OK Gene. We only tell everyone not to do this already, but that's ok that you didn't listen and had to find out for yourself before believing us. Those cops are big meanies. Don't worry, no one blames you. And you just forget the fact that little kids will read this and think "well if he didn't get shot, neither will I!"
Please.
We preach, all the time (and he's acknowledged that we do), that these things should not be brandished ANYWHERE outside of the field or in your house. He chose to ignore it and it wasn't until he experienced what we were talking about did he finally decide we were telling the truth and that he should listen.
And then his comments turn to "I was victimized!!!" He has yet to explain what "storm trooper'd" means, or what rights of his were "violated", he has yet to explain what he's been charged with, and he has yet to defend any of his "i've been victimized" comments that he's made.
Gene aside, If you are crapping yourself at routine traffic stops, that's on you. I've run into a few routine traffic stops and since I have nothing to hide, I actually welcome the break from the norm. If you don't feel the same: guilty conscience much?
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Hey, if you know me, I am behind guns cases and safety 100%, but some of the guys here are so nasty that the rest of us are afrai to post here.
If you're afraid to post here because you are afraid you'll get bashed for doing something stupid.... good, then it's working. I don't want to read about how you were/are an idiot. I don't want to read how you got away with something you really had no business getting away with. And I REALLY don't want to read how someone thinks doing something unsafe is funny.
And weren't you the one that called me an ******* for having to remind you, several times, to safe your weapon up in the safe zone?
Finally, regardless of whether you feel Gene learned his lesson or not, is irrelevant. This thread serves as an example to the REST of the forum about what can happen if/when you brandish your airsoft guns in public.
And, frankly, I fail to see where he was "bashed" to hell. At no time was he ever insulted.
You guys called him stupid. Several times. Rather Forcefully.
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And then his comments turn to "I was victimized!!!" He has yet to explain what "storm trooper'd" means, or what rights of his were "violated", he has yet to explain what he's been charged with, and he has yet to defend any of his "i've been victimized" comments that he's made.
No arguments there, and I never said the guy was right or had a strong argument, I just merrily wished to say that a few people are just being a little rude to someone who did not come in here looking for a fight. When he made his original post, it was fairly well thought out, and although he broke a rule, he was appealing to this little human emotion called sympathy. I am simply being the nice guy, and saying "hey, sucks" instead of saying "go to hell, you deserve it."
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Gene aside, If you are crapping yourself at routine traffic stops, that's on you. I've run into a few routine traffic stops and since I have nothing to hide, I actually welcome the break from the norm. If you don't feel the same: guilty conscience much?
No, I just get a little nervous when a man carrying a loaded gun sticks a flashlight in my face. Nothing crazy about that. Now if I ruitine traffic stops are the thrill of your weekend, good for you. I just don't like dealing with police, doesn't mean I have been smoking crack and robbing seven elevens.
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And weren't you the one that called me an ******* for having to remind you, several times, to safe your weapon up in the safe zone?
A little over two years ago I walked into the safe zone, mag out, safe on, but I forgot to put on a barrel sock. I was either 14 or 15, I don't remember. I believe you asked me if I was retarded and proceeded to further insult my intelligence, and about five minutes worth of expressing whatever was making you feel like crap that day by insulting someone less than half your age later actually told me what I was doing wrong so I could fix it. Truth be told, I learned two lessons that day. One, always put a sock on your weapon, and two, don't look for support from you. Being young and afraid of getting kicked off the feilds, I didn't call you anything. May have thought stuff, but never called you anything.
All of this negates my point entirely. I didn't post here to get into a battle of words with you, Randy. Truthfully, I should be sleeping right now as I have college interviews in the morning. I posted to express sympathy for a guy in a bad situation. I understand the being kind or caring isn't your strong suit, but no need to attack anyone who dare try to be nice to another person. If you really feel like warning me or any of that for expressing what was on my mind in full accordance with the forum rules, go ahead, but, as I said, I really didn't come here to cross words with you.
Again, Gene, my sympathies. Crappy situation, happens a lot. Be more careful in the future.
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You guys called him stupid. Several times. Rather Forcefully.
Swing and a miss: his ACTIONS were called stupid. Learn the difference.
Secondly, you have yet to answer my question. Why can you call his actions stupid, but for anyone else to do it, it's wrong?
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No arguments there, and I never said the guy was right or had a strong argument, I just merrily wished to say that a few people are just being a little rude to someone who did not come in here looking for a fight. When he made his original post, it was fairly well thought out, and although he broke a rule, he was appealing to this little human emotion called sympathy. I am simply being the nice guy, and saying "hey, sucks" instead of saying "go to hell, you deserve it."
And WHEN did someone say that? You are putting words in peoples mouths. If you read the thread, what was said was he got what he deserved, which is 100% true. If you brandish your guns in public, and you are charged, you got what you deserved. If you keep your gun hidden, and nothing happens... you got what you deserved.
There is no secret formula to staying out of trouble here. Do not take these things anywhere where others could possibly see them, and nothing bad will happen to you.
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No, I just get a little nervous when a man carrying a loaded gun sticks a flashlight in my face. Nothing crazy about that. Now if I ruitine traffic stops are the thrill of your weekend, good for you. I just don't like dealing with police, doesn't mean I have been smoking crack and robbing seven elevens.
But it does mean your fears are pretty much baseless unless you have something to be fearful about. An officer making sure you're not drinking tonight doesn't really qualify for "oh god! the flatfoots! What shall I do?!"
"he's carrying a loaded weapon" reason is pretty weak. They only draw on you if you're doing something stupid or dangerous. Again, if you're afraid of that...
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A little over two years ago I walked into the safe zone, mag out, safe on, but I forgot to put on a barrel sock. I was either 14 or 15, I don't remember. I believe you asked me if I was retarded and proceeded to further insult my intelligence, and about five minutes worth of expressing whatever was making you feel like crap that day by insulting someone less than half your age later actually told me what I was doing wrong so I could fix it. Truth be told, I learned two lessons that day. One, always put a sock on your weapon, and two, don't look for support from you. Being young and afraid of getting kicked off the feilds, I didn't call you anything. May have thought stuff, but never called you anything.
Your concept of time and your memory need work. You haven't even been around for 2 years, you've just reached your 1 year this month. This was less than 6 months ago and the exact quote from you was "are you an ******* much?" under your breath in response to my one and only question of "are you retarded?" and the reason I was asking. Which I only asked after, no less than the 3 times, you walked into the safe zone with your sock off AND your mag in, and being warned by other staff members three times. And after you had ignored the final warning was when I finally asked.
Surprise... I can hear someone 10 feet away from me.
And for all your point of me being a big bad Staff member bearing down on a helpless little child (which, again, unless you age like a dog, is false)... you still weren't kicked off the field, were you?
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All of this negates my point entirely. I didn't post here to get into a battle of words with you, Randy. Truthfully, I should be sleeping right now as I have college interviews in the morning. I posted to express sympathy for a guy in a bad situation. I understand the being kind or caring isn't your strong suit, but no need to attack anyone who dare try to be nice to another person. If you really feel like warning me or any of that for expressing what was on my mind in full accordance with the forum rules, go ahead, but, as I said, I really didn't come here to cross words with you.
How's that view up there on your high horse? Again, how should we respond? You have yet to answer that as well.
And I wasn't attacking someone who's trying to be nice, I was questioning why you think you are special.
So, now we should show sympathy for those that dont deserve it? You really think that people who do stupid stuff should be coddled and told that "its ok, its not your fault". Thats bull****. I, and many others have spent a large amount of money and put a lot of time into airsoft and its stupid stuff like brandishing airsoft in public that will get our already fragile hobby banned.
Here is a shocker, Law Enforcement hates airsoft. It is just another tool in the big 'ol toolbox of stupid that people with little common sense can use to hurt themselves or others.
I stand by every word I said in this thread. Don't like? Tough. Life is hard, get a helmet and stupid should hurt.
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No need to get upset here, guys, just trying to voice an opinion. Any who, I went back and read the thread, and you guys are right. I just misinterpreted a lot of what was being typed as an attack on this guy. I don't expect you to take back your words or apologize, I just thought it was a little rough. I get offended easily, so I am taking a deep breath and saying that your right on this one, but it doesn't negate my point that you could be a tad bit more civil.
As for the barrel sock thing, you make a good point. In retrospect, I am grateful I wasn't kicked off the field. Sorry.
I wouldn't call myself a genius, but I wouldn't call myself stupid either. I just think that this guy made a mistake that is not all that hard to make and got slammed. No, I don't want airsoft banned, and yes I support owning a gun case and keeping your gun inside your house, but I am just saying that I understand how he can feel wronged, not saying that he was, just understanding how he could feel that way.
Seriously, not trying to offend the mods, and I apologize if I have. Much respect.
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I have a question that sort of has to do with this thread. If a friend of mine found a patch of land to play airsoft on that nobody owned, would it be a good idea to use it? The chief of police in our town is his uncle, so he told him about it beforehand and he said it would be ok. Do any of the mods or admins think this is a bad idea or is asking for trouble?
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In my opinion it is a bad idea, just as bad as the others. Just because noone ownes the land, probley means its state land which would be illegal to play on anyway. Better off going out to a game at LP or PL.
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All land is owned in the US. Whether by the township, the state, or a private citizen. And it's still considered "in public" so long as anyone can see it.
It doesn't matter who your connections are, if you break the law, you're breaking the law, and there's only so much your connections can do to protect you.
Your father could be a Supreme Court Justice in DC... if you murder someone in front of someone, they can't do much to help you.
Same idea.
Also, while you and maybe even the police might know about your playing, you have to then worry about ordinary citizens with a gun. They can and will try to be a hero and stop you... even if it results in shooting you. And they would be perfectly within their right as your gun looks lethal, and thus, they believes their lives could be in danger.
Years ago, T3, Munin, and TheRabbit had permission to play on some land. A passerby saw "someone in the woods with weapons", and did a "citizen's arrest" situation with a REAL glock. Thankfully, it was a safe outcome, but guess who had to pay over $1200 in fines before they could even get their stuff back? Hint: it wasn't the guy with the glock.
Sum up: just play on sanctioned fields. Bullet wounds and fines suck.
Sorry to hear about your luck there man, i too had a run in with the police in my area,
I was out back of my house that is completely surounded by a 6ft hedge row shooting my ICS M4 and my TM G18c and this hispanic guy comes over and starts cussing me and my mom out accusing me of shooting his garage witch is about 300ft away. he said if i did it again he would call the cops. so i calmly packed up my gear and went back inside. 5 minutes later a cop is knocking at my door and he takes my guns saying they are illegal , he didnt give his badge number a name and didnt take a statement when i tryed to tell him i was harrased by the hispanic guy.
I looked it up and my guns are not ileagle and according to my grandfather who was a cop/fish and game officer the orange tip on the guns classifies them as a toy.
according to the cop bb guns and air rifles are ilegal where i am but as far as i know airosft are not considered bb guns or air rifles seeing as they are battery and motor opperated.
My grandfather called the station and i cannot get my guns back because the quarter master already destroyed them
also if a cop seizes controband he is supposed to issue a statement he siezed it i got nothing
Needless to say keep your guns in the house when not on the field and we can all avoid these problems
Ion3sn1p3r, it sounds to me like that "cop" wasn't a real cop. either that or he was off-duty and doing a friend (the hispanic guy) a favor. of course, he could just be a bad cop.
although if you didn't ask for a name or badge number, i don't think they have to give it to you. but, he should have filled out a statement. again though, i don't know if it is required to.
although if you didn't ask for a name or badge number, i don't think they have to give it to you. but, he should have filled out a statement.
If you ask a Police Officer for his name and badge number he must give it to you. They will usually just hand you a business card with a number written on it (badge number) Also, if you did not fill out a statement, you are SOL, because if seized property does not have a statment by the person the property originates from, they will just destroy the contraband.Also, be aware of your town ordinances. I live withinh 300yrds of a school and it is illegal to discharge any type of firearm ,real or replica within the area.
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If you ask a Police Officer for his name and badge number he must give it to you.
yes, but the original poster never said anything about asking for it. to the best of my knowledge, an officer isn't required to give you a name or badge number unless you ask for it.
So, i think you guys just totally OWNED this guy. He only told his story. I really dont think he was saying he didnt deserve to be charged up on and what not. I think he was just saying what happened I AM SUCH A MORON!. But yes that sucks that that happened and maybe ill think twice about walking around outside with my airsoft L96 sniper rifle :)
Actually, do you guys carry your guns from your cars in cases when you go to fields? or is everyone there pretty much knowing what is going on.
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No,he told his story, expecting sympathy for dumb behavior. I also don't really think he was "owned", he was told his action were stupid, which they were. We leave this thread up precisely for the reason you mentioned, so people think twice before brandishing airsoft weapons in site of the public.
Majority of players use gun cases for their airsoft guns. The one that do not use either the original box or some other applicable means of keep their guns out of the public eye.
I think it is just downright sad what our society has become. I remember the days my friends and i would run amok in the neighborhood, brandishing toy guns, orange tips or not.. and having pretend wars. Cops would occasionally drive by and we would point our guns at them. they would smile, and playfully point thier finger and pretend to shoot back. neighbors would never bat an eyelash..
things have changed.
How did gene do something dumb? he was on his own porch, holding a toy gun with an orange tip. he wasnt shooting at passerbys, screaming threats or anything of the sorts. he was minding his own buisness. Now playing in public places.. that IS stupid
I know most of you wont agree But under the circumstances in gene's situation. i think this cop was way over-zealous. personally i would have told him to mind his own buisness and get the F off my property. Does this cop haul ever kid he sees playing with a toy gun down to the station? get real. This cop sounds like a real D-bag who gets off harassing people over petty nonsense. I've been pulled over with airsoft gun layin in my back seat on several occasions. Once on the way to hilltop burgers as some of you may remeber. I never had a gun pulled in my face, i was never cuffed and taken away. the situation was handled by simply communicating in a calm, civilized manner. What happend to gene is utterly ridiculous, and if you see it any other way, YOU are part of the reason society is the way it is.
I agree 110% with what grim has said.
and Gene, if what you say happened, is actually what happend, you broke no laws and they can't charge you with squat. i suggest you speak to a lawyer.
Light-fighter and lou. you know i love you guys, but seriously, have the sticks removed from your asses ;)
Cops aren't necessarily better or smarter than anyone else because they passed a test, and some clown handed them a badge and a gun. they are just like the rest of the population, some of them are morons with a chip on thier shoulder.
I'll pull the stick out of my ass if you pull your head out of yours
Your rights do not enable you to infringe on the rights of others. This is a fundamental tenet of our country. That whole "all men are created equal" thing you may have heard about. I'm sure they mentioned it in school at least once.
If your actions cause a reasonable person to feel unsafe, you are infringing on their rights, and you are wrong. And seriously, if you can't see how a 20 year-old brandishing a replica firearm in public can cause people to feel unsafe, you need to have your head examined. If you can't see that sitting on a porch in plain view is "in public", well, you get the point. We aren't talking about eight-year-olds playing cowboy with a shiny cap gun, we're talking about 1-1 replicas.
If you were brandishing a weapon, real or replica, and caused me to feel threatened by your actions, I'd shoot you. And I would be within MY rights to do so.
ok. i am 16. ther same thing happened to me except lighter. at the time i was a complete noob and didnt know i could get into trouble playing with a couple friends in my backyard with springers. we were playing and having a good day when all of a sudden i see to police officers with their weapons drawn pointing at me and my friends screaming at us to put the guns down. i nearly crapped myself because this had never happened to me. the police gave us a very long long talk on how important it is to not have these in my county outside.he talked to us about why he had reacted so sternly and why he treated us no differently just because we were minors. we got off extremely easy with only having our information taken. i learned a huge amount from that and since then i have been comletely safe. i respected the way he approached us and i fully understand why. and you really expected him to treat you lightly? we live around a violence ridden city and cops will not stand lightly. that is my opinion and story and i hope you learned from your mistakes and i hope you respect the police for what they did.
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hahahah spetz, ill stop playing airsoft when you develope a mind of your own. I've known them both alot longer than you, and im sure they know im saying that in a playful manner. you can wipe the brown off your nose now.. jesus why am i explaining myself to you.
anyway.. I just think the cop could have, and should have handled the situation better. His actions were uncalled for. I could understand if he pointed it at him or something. like i said i've dealt with the police before in these sitations, and they never made a big fiasco. Come on, did this guy really need to be such a dick about it?
The difference in your situations was your guns were never in hand. His were. The possibility of actually having the gun go off at them is drastically different. Had you, in your car, reached for your guns, guaranteed you would've seen the muzzle of the cops gun.
Also in Gene's situation, his friends next to him start screaming at the cop. Ask any officer what to do in that situation. That is the time when things can go really wrong, really fast. So the best way to keep that from happening is to immobilize everyone to reduce the risk to yourself and others. The cop moved exactly how he should. Detained & questioned.
Considering Gene never said what he was charged with... he probably wasn't charged with anything. But he certainly could have.
hahahah spetz, ill stop playing airsoft when you develope a mind of your own. I've known them both alot longer than you, and im sure they know im saying that in a playful manner. you can wipe the brown off your nose now.. jesus why am i explaining myself to you.
And I was supposed to know you were friends with them how? If you werent on a personal level with them you would have most definately gotten an infraction for the "stick up ass" crack.
And dont try to belittle me for saying something, Brandishing and pointing replica guns at officers is just asking for it.
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I can understand the initial reaction to the gun. He has a responsibility to protect the community and himself. But after finding out it for sure it wasn't real, and the situation was harmless, handcuffing him and arresting him? please.. someone must not be getting any from the misses if you know what i mean. Tell him to keep it out of sight an go about your buisness. Complete waste of time and resources. He could have gone on his way and done something much more important, instead he wasted the afternoon on some petty bull****, giving some kids a hard time. Genuine A-hole right there.
i wasn't aware enforcement of the forum rules was any concern of yours, as far as i know your a visitor here just like me.
and when someone uses a winky face after a wise crack it usually implies they're joking, for future reference. Or when they start with something like (you know i love you guys, but..) How else can i spell it out for you?
He didnt point the gun at the officer spetz, He would probably be dead, and it would be justified.
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OK guys, let's not turn this into a flame war. We can be polite and still disagree.
The truth about this whole matter is that none of us was there. We only have Gene's account of what happened, and I say this with no offense intended, but it's probably not the whole story. People tend to forget stuff. But the point I'm trying to make is that people need to think long and hard before they do stupid **** with airsoft guns. This isn't like an ice cream cone where if you **** up the worst that happens is you lose your treat. In that case, just get a new one and walk it off. Replica firearms carry the same risk as real ones.
Let's take the airsoft gun out of the picture in Gene's story and replace it with the aforementioned ice cream cone. You can even pick the flavor. The neighbors see Gene on his porch with his cone...nothing happens. The cops are driving by and see Gene on his porch with friends, and he's showing them his ice cream....nothing happens. Now I'm certainly not saying that airsoft is the problem, but you can certainly see how it affects the situation.
Just be smart and avoid the risk. Why put yourself in a situation that can turn bad? In every situation that I can think of where a person purposely puts himself that kind of situation, they are 100% wrong.
In Ohio we're permitted to open carry and now that castle law is coming into effect then the burden of proof has shifted from the gun carrier to the person making the allegations. This of course only applies to real guns and if I were a cop I would still make ecery possible attempt to make friendly contact with anyone wearing a gun on their hip because they're either the good guy or the bad guy, no grey area IMO.
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Ok to make people happy I did research. This is and I do quote this is" Under the Federal Law"
The similarity between genuine firearms and airsoft replicas is close enough to provoke interaction with local law enforcement personnel if an airsoft gun is carried openly in public. ( Common Sense )
If someone were to, for example, attempt a robbery with an airsoft gun, they would be charged as if the airsoft gun were a real firearm.
The Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics is authorized and directed to conduct a study of the criminal misuse of toy, look-alike and imitation firearms, including studying police reports of such incidences and shall report on such incidences relative to marked and unmarked firearms.
Alot of those would also apply as to having it outside. Simply having the lookalike or "replical" firearm in public outside, striking fear into those around you is an act of misuse. YOU KNOW NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT AIRSOFT RIFLES!!!!
I myself would like to add. Did anyone ever think on why the police act like they do to A replica Firearm( A GUN MADE TO LOOK LIKE A REAL FIREARM) yes fine its not a real fire arm but they arm made replicas. Did anyone think that we can paint our tips black I mean people have done that and claim its real what about viceversa?...so how easy is it for someone with a real weapon to paint there tip orange and claim its fake? Just as easy as we can make it black.
If Lou or one of the admins request I can dig around the PA Law books get it photo copied and have it posted. Even though alot of it is Common Sense.
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Originally Posted by 125blackfire
" its a toy you ARE allowed too have an airsoft gun ON YOUR PROPERTY!!!! its one thing too walk on a sidewalk with an airsoft gun. i know people who clean there shot guns on there front porch!!!!
Your alowed to have a normal handgun and such on your own property but who isn't that since your outside with it, your going to shoot the neighbor? Again another point, people get scared. With the people being scared they along with the police react as they need to.
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Can I play with air soft guns in my backyard in Philadelphia ?
I was thinking about buying an airsoft gun from ebay but I wanted to know if it was legal to use them in my backyard even if I am only going to use 6mm painball pellets and not bbs. I was arrested before for having a clear airsoft gun but I was in public and I was harrasing people its not on my record or anything they just held me took my gun and that was that. But I wanted to know if me and my brother could play with them in our backyard and only use paintball pellets.
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Also I see kids that are 13 years and younger with airsoft guns im 15 soon to be 16 and have no criminal record so I should be able to use them rite?
You say you want to play in your back yard in Philly, but you live in a completely different part of the country. Which is it?
If you have bothered to read anything on these forums, you would see that it's not illegal, it's just stupid and exposes you to legal risk. Also, you might have read that we don't really care what you do. Do whatever you want, just leave us out of it.
Also, what does your link have to do with ANYTHING in this thread?
Me my cousin and my little brother were walking down the street one day with a CLEAR see through bb gun with plastic pellets and was kind of broken. It was summer about two years ago I had to be 14 or 13 and we were walkign down the street shooting stop signs and stuff and we went down to the pool and out of nowhere all these police cars were everywhere and told us to get down. They took us to the station and all that crap. Its not even like we were shooting people and harrasing anyone we were just walking down the street and it was in my cousins bag of course they could have let us go and told us that we couldnt have them (because i had no idea we couldnt), and let us go at my grandmoms house right up the street but they decided to take us down to the station and told us how they could have shot us and all that stupidness but thats how they do. I know your probably thinking you shouldnt have been acting stupid with it. I was like 13 and I thought it was ok to have one.
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Originally Posted by P7hk9
You say you want to play in your back yard in Philly, but you live in a completely different part of the country. Which is it?
If you have bothered to read anything on these forums, you would see that it's not illegal, it's just stupid and exposes you to legal risk. Also, you might have read that we don't really care what you do. Do whatever you want, just leave us out of it.
Also, what does your link have to do with ANYTHING in this thread?
That guy who posted that question got it from my yahoo answers question I was asking was it legal for me to play with them in my backyard in Philadelphia Im not sure why he went and posted the question here without even consulting me about it
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Well I started reading this thread from the beginning- and skimmed the rest.
I feel for the ignorance in this thread. The meer thought that the trained cops that deal with real stuff come reigning in on your parade of just showing off your airsoft gun to your friend(s). I was there in the sense that I couldn't understand why they needed 6-7 units with bright spot lights beaming down on me and my best friend and keeping us there long after they realized the entire situation.
The Answer is this, and I don't believe I read anyone else post this here yet... and this is sort of something people have to realize.
Cops are not robots, they are not invincible, and they dont turn into a liquid metal state like in terminator and take any shapes they want. These are REAL people, with REAL familys. They don't earn the greatest of incomes, and they aren't going to believe strangers that tell them a piece is fake or not. Take yourself and put yourself in their shoes, in that same situation. ALL you want is to do your job and NOT get shot doing it.
They're real people just like you, would you believe a strange kid with a piece of any kind?
No because it's not worth your life.
On second thought- it is more likely a neighbor saw you walk out your door with it and called the police right away, in fact if you can think back to the situation... was the cop using the radio on his shoulder before backup arrived? If he used his radio at all then it wasn't a neighbor. IF he didn't use his radio then he was already informed of the situation as well as the rest of his unit. (that's my theory)
Well, I have been playing airsoft off and on for 3 years I have played on field and off field. I suppose I have been lucky with it evading notice of police and such.
So is it illegal to shoot airsoft in my yard? Basically as practice? I certainly understand playing outside but if its in my own fenced in yard?
Arrrggggg....quit justifying BYA. if your playing airsoft anywhere other than a sanctioned field then its considered BYA, If you are doing BYA then just be prepared to suffer any consequences that you may and probably will encounter, it might not happen today, or tomorrow, But someday, it could happen, why would you even want to even possibly put your self in that position.
Look, all it takes is one paranoid person to see you, a jogger, somebody walking their dog, anything for them to call the police. They'll say they saw somebody playing with a gun, and you think "But it's a clear airsoft gun, it's clearly not real," but these are the same people who think every gun is an AK-47 because that's what the news tells them.
Listen, it's SUPER FRIGGEN EASY to avoid this problem, I don't know why people aren't understanding this, just don't do it. the end.
There are now 90 posts in this thread that for the most part all say the same thing. There is no new argument, just the same old crap being posted by different people.
I've had a similar experience, when I was about 12, (so of course I was dumber than dirt) I was backyarding like an idiot, my buddy had his cell phone in his pocket, he has 911 on his speed dial. Believe it or not, this is where the stupidity begins. My buddy and I took a knee, he was kneeling on a number, thus speed dialing the 911 emergency, we stood up and charged my little brother and his little friend whom are hiding in the shed, we yell at them, "Put your hands up! Drop the guns! Drop them now"!!! About 5 minutes later, 8 squad cars are lined up on the street, guns out. My friends and I were scared sh*tless. Luckily for us, we didn't get in much trouble. But, my mom gave me a good ol' beat down. I learned my lesson fast. Don't backyard! Or show off guns on a front porch!!
