OR: How I stopped worrying and learned to love stock.
DkHelmet's top eleven reasons why you shouldn't upgrade your gun until you're experienced enough to do it yourself:
11: It's $40 in labor that you can do yourself.
10: By doing it yourself you'll learn an awful lot about your AEG and how it works, and what to do to fix it when it does break.
9: When you pay someone halfway around the world to do it, they often times don't do an amazing job.
8: Vendors, especially from Hong Kong and Taiwan, are notorious for cutting corners and performing bad upgrades. If they're out of the spring you ordered, they'll happily put in a hotter one and not tell you.
7: Moving from 300FPS to 400FPS doesn't equate to 25% more range. Much less, actually. In airsoft's typical engagement distances of 40 - 60 yards, that's only a few feet.
6: Accuracy is more important than FPS
5: Teamwork, tactics, and movement are much more important than FPS and accuracy combined.
4: Upgraded mechboxes tend to fail much sooner than stock.
3: Upgraded mechboxes fail in spectacular and costly ways.
2: To be safe, in tight CQB situations (clearing rooms, etc.) you'll need to downgrade to a sidearm to avoid injuring anyone.
1: You can seriously injure people, especially if you're new to the sport. A gun shooting 400+FPS at close range looks like this:
If you're not sure how hot a Systema m120 fires, or why a PDI 150% is lighter than a m120, or what bushings are and why you need them, you should probably avoid an upgrade.
Worthwhile advantages to pick up that are probably worth it:
New bucking: Many non-TM guns have fairly cheap hop buckings. The bucking directly affects the hop and accuracy.
Tightbore: Stock AEGs run 6.08mm inner barrels. Tightbores pull that down to 6.04, 6.03, or even a jam prone (but oh so tight) 6.01. Accuracy goes up.
Radio: For $10 at BestBuy or Radio Shack, you can be in touch with your team up to two miles away, and can make or break a plan.
My god that looks painful, was the bb actually embedded under your skin, of did it just swell up? Not like it matters for the context of a warning, either way that's bad.
Also another reason why hot guns arent that fun. This was from about 30 feet away with a 400Fps sniper, went right through his lip and out the other side even though it appears to still be in there
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>_< damn that looks like it hurts!! I don't every wanna get hit like that. Thats just not right. I'm really glad for FPS and engagement limits, especially if people follow them.
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I put up my first post on this site describing an upgrade I just made to 510 fps with a Systema system in a CA-M15. This new hybrid is to be used for real combat situations for training at a counterterrorism center. It is NOT intended for Airsoft.
In fact, I remember when the 400+ fps KJW Mk.1 Carbine Gas Non Blow Back Airsoft Rifle hit the market, a year ago or so. Lots of Airsofters were raving about it's "ouch factor" until someone wrote that they had pierced the skin of another guy who was 25 feet away. Another jerk talked about how much he hurt others by shooting them on their BDUs from up closel... and enjoyed their reactions. Jerk.
I wrote a put down of this gun on the Shorty site (wasn't published the first two times I rated the weapon) saying that I thought that anyone who uses a weapon to hurt people who are out to "play" Airsoft belong OUT of the sport.
High velocity weapons at or around 400 fps should only exist for the longest distances of sniper use and anything used as a field-rifle should not exceed 300-320 fps in my estimation. Standard fps is good enough for most encounters in all terrains.
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That looks worse than what I've seen in my shop. (Welding) I have only seen 2nd degree burns in my shop though. Any way, back on topic. I was wondering if i could use a sniper rifle with 500 fps. I would stay in the rear but i was still wondering if it is allowed.
That looks worse than what I've seen in my shop. (Welding) I have only seen 2nd degree burns in my shop though. Any way, back on topic. I was wondering if i could use a sniper rifle with 500 fps. I would stay in the rear but i was still wondering if it is allowed.
It is "ok" by field standards, but I'm not really sure what else you are looking for. For those of you who have played with TJ, one of his most destructive guns fired at only 250 fps, but because he took the time to put in a good barrel, good hop up, and fine tuned the mechbox, it was the best firing AEG I have ever seen to this day. So remember, if you want to whiz bb's at 350+ fps into the dirt, go ahead, but it's not JUST the fps that is important; there are just so many other important factors that make up a good AEG, it just happens that most people look to the FPS first for their answer.
(Kinda like thinking that just because you have an 8 cylinder 350 hp engine, you're going to win the race. Things like torque, mass, tires, tuning, and especially driving style all contribute to how well that car is going to do in a race, not just because it has a lot of power under the hood)
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I know, a bit of a dead topic, but I'd just like to point out that a 9mm handgun can shoot as low as 1300 FPS...your really close to making guns when you start pushing 500 - 600 FPS (airsoft) sniper rifles.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you compare BBs to bullets. The physics is the same, of course, but it's like comparing getting hit by a balloon and a bowling ball.
The standard 9mm NATO ball round is a 124 grain bullet. That's a hair over 8 grams. With a muzzle velocity of 1200 FPS, it's packing 532.32 joules (391 foot-pounds) of energy that is delivered to a target. Even a .38 special target load (158 grain (10 gram) wadcutter at 600 FPS) is 115.5 joules (nearly 85 foot-pounds).
Now, compare that to a .20 gram BB traveling at 500 FPS, our absolute MAXIMUM, and that's only for sniper rifles. It only has 2.3 joules (1.7 foot-pounds) of energy at the muzzle. For comparison, that's 230 times LESS than 9mm ball and 50 times less than a super-wimpy .38 target load. You also have to consider the conservation of momentum bullets have because of their weight. BBs don't have that going for them, either.
Additionally, most states and localities have strict legal definitions about what constitutes a "firearm". Muzzle velocity isn't one of the criteria, it's actually more of what propels the projectile than anything else.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you compare BBs to bullets. The physics is the same, of course, but it's like comparing getting hit by a balloon and a bowling ball.
The standard 9mm NATO ball round is a 124 grain bullet. That's a hair over 8 grams. With a muzzle velocity of 1200 FPS, it's packing 532.32 joules (391 foot-pounds) of energy that is delivered to a target. Even a .38 special target load (158 grain (10 gram) wadcutter at 600 FPS) is 115.5 joules (nearly 85 foot-pounds).
Now, compare that to a .20 gram BB traveling at 500 FPS, our absolute MAXIMUM, and that's only for sniper rifles. It only has 2.3 joules (1.7 foot-pounds) of energy at the muzzle. For comparison, that's 230 times LESS than 9mm ball and 50 times less than a super-wimpy .38 target load. You also have to consider the conservation of momentum bullets have because of their weight. BBs don't have that going for them, either.
Additionally, most states and localities have strict legal definitions about what constitutes a "firearm". Muzzle velocity isn't one of the criteria, it's actually more of what propels the projectile than anything else.
Wow, an extremely informing post! Thank you very much. I'm a dork for physics info like this.
Oh MY!!! I think I just wet myself! Thats why I role with a 315 FPS AUG, who cares about high FPS as long as it is the difference from a sting to a chipped tooth/broken nail.
my friends have guns that push 450 fps and i took a round to the chest, i also was stung by five bees. The bb welt lasted longer than that of the five bee sting
my friends have guns that push 450 fps and i took a round to the chest, i also was stung by five bees. The bb welt lasted longer than that of the five bee sting
Are you sure that hit wasn't to your head?
Wait till they knock out your teeth, and hope your parents have good dental insurance.
well i dont know about you guys, but back here FPS sometimes shows how far can you go with an airsoft upgrade, in terms of innovation and technicality in upgrading skills.. i dont really get it sometimes, but i think thats the achievements that they can get in airsoft here.
my aeg shoots about 450 fps.. its all about control, although i can barely do it, i prefer silent killing my opponent.. than try to shoot them at 10-20meters..
this FREE FPS policy firstly arise because we sometimes have some troble with some "zombies" that always bugs us in matter of good sportmanship in a skirmish, so they think should get some upgrade to litterally hurt those "zombies" and actually make them really understands.. so my team always reminds its member to improve our safetygear and implement the honor system thoroughly to prevents injury caused by this free fps policy.. to me maybe we just should honor the game first and upgrade later,
REMEMBER..
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With great FPS comes great RESPONSIBILITY
carry on guys
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Well the "undead" issue arises here as well. The trick is to have a system of authority to get rid of those who would prefer to not call their hits. (but that authority needs to be able and willing to actually get rid of people, not just say they will and then do nothing)
I refuse to upgrade my gear simply because some jerko refuses to play honorably. It's a game. If you can't play fairly, you don't deserve to play. Everyone else shouldn't have to adapt to the cheaters.
Ok, I have a stock Echo 1 G36. I want to increase the accuracy, but I have two problems.
#1. I don't know what a bucking is.
#2. I don't know how to install a new bucking or tightbore barrel on my rifle.
Could someone tell me?
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Ok, I have a stock Echo 1 G36. I want to increase the accuracy, but I have two problems.
#1. I don't know what a bucking is.
#2. I don't know how to install a new bucking or tightbore barrel on my rifle.
Could someone tell me?
A bucking is a little rubber bit that puts spin on your BBs. I'm sure someone will help you install them at a game.
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Thats why I role with a 315 FPS AUG, who cares about high FPS as long as it is the difference from a sting to a chipped tooth/broken nail.
Are you sure that hit wasn't to your head?
