Just like the poll says which one should I go with?
JG BAR-10 or L96 (L96 probably WELL or UTG)
What is your goal? Are you on a tight budget? Are you going to play with it "stock" or "lightly upgraded?"
This is why I hate these questions. You haven't told us what your goal is.
If you are going to keep it stock, or maybe spend $50-75 in upgrades, go with the L96. You can get some inexpensive upgrades to make it a great rifle. Though, you'd know this if you searched and read any of RichJ's posts about his, and his upgrades.
If you are planning on dropping a ton of money into it... just because... get a BAR-10 (though I challenge you to find one for sale anywhere other than the used market) or a VSR-10. There are TONS of upgrade parts you can buy for it.
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UTG L96 ALL THE WAY, SON!
You can have a complete good shooting rifle for less than HALF or even a 1/4 of what it cost to get a Bar 10 shooting as nice. If you don't like the look of the L96 invest in some sandpaper and filler and change the look of the stock.
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Although I use the BAR-10 as my weapon of choice, I'd say go for the L96. It'll be less expensive in the upgrade aspect. Drop a Madbull barrel in there and a decent bucking and you'll be good as gold. They are heavy and bulky, but very effective [I can say that from experience].
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The only issue with the L96 is that the trigger box is plastic and can break easily. We have had several come in with this issue, and they dont make replacement parts for it anymore due to the last China crackdown on airsoft. They are just sitting in our repair racks collecting dust. You might get one and be lucky enough to never encounter this issue, but if you get one and the part breaks, then you'll wind up with a new wall hanger. The sucky part is no one makes a metal trigger box. Id go with the BAR-10 just because there are more upgrade/ replacement parts available.
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L96 is a great "budget" build. But it possible performance plateaus past a certain point, it CAN be taken farther but it becomes a little more difficult. The VSR10 and its clones are not only a little more durable in some aspects (they have there own flaws too) they also have way more potential for upgrading both in possible performance and choices on how that is accomplished. This really falls into what your goals are and how much you are willing to spend.
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Well it depends, the L96 (utg) doesn't have after market parts but shoots great out of the box, so if you want a gun thats ready to shoot then get that. If you would rather get a gun that you can upgrade or replace all the internals go with the bar-10. Or you could do what I did, I chose the L96 (utg) because of the great reviews I read, and because I personally like the feel of the smexy thumb hole
Great replies so far guys thanks. Ok, my goal here is to basically start sniping on a "part time" basis, just to switch up the pace. I dont mind throwing money into a gun and buying after market parts, however, If the bar out of the box requires like another $200 in parts thats a little absurd. I like the body/ frame/ and stock on the L96 better than the BAR, and the barrel length is a good plus as well. Just like Palafoxx said; finding a BAR right now (atleast the one with scope and bi-pod) is going to be quite difficult. As far as I'm concerned airsoft guns have little to no resale market (that is worth it to me that is), so I dont mind having a toy gun forever either. I just want a sniper rifle that can shoot good, (not great) that isnt of high quality/ high price out of the box; being redundant I dont mind putting money into upgrades, Im not picky though, I dont care about trigger pull/ length, just accuracy and distance. I cant say Im psyched about either of these having a plastic body, but you get what you pay for. I was also thinking about the MB05, but the reviews are coming up short, and it seems to have a lot of problems. Alas the reason for this post, I'm still wide open like a whore to suggestions. Keep em comin boys TY.
I can speak for the l96 zero trigger it works great and can handle a 170 no promblem ,I have had mine for over a year and its running great the downfall it is 200 dollars but its well worth the money . Also the L96 has a huge selection of upgrades parts as Drew said Airsoft Atlanta has them I got all my parts for them . Though if want a lighter rifle the l96 is not the way to go but it does't bother me .
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I love me zero trigger for the VSR10 even though it was the LAST thing I bought. It is also true that you really do replace pretty much everything when building up a BAR10. I can prove it, that is how I got my third sniper rifle, by assembling my left over parts!
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I love me zero trigger for the VSR10 even though it was the LAST thing I bought. It is also true that you really do replace pretty much everything when building up a BAR10. I can prove it, that is how I got my third sniper rifle, by assembling my left over parts!
So youre Basically saying that the L96 Stock does not need heavy upgrades out of the box to shoot descent?
The L96 is a great replica, it can be made to perform well in the role of sniper with a advantage over the average AEG. The only advantage of a sniper rifle replica over a AEG with our rules set is a slightly higher allowable fps limit with .20 BBs, This allows average velocity with heavier that .20 BBs. Stock and lightly modified L96s CAN do this. to OUTPERFORM a lightly upgraded AEG, any sniper rifle replica WILL need to be upgraded to take advantage of the higher fps limit and the same level of accuracy available to a AEG, ie a tight bore barrel
The advantage of the VSR10 and its clones it can be taken farther than a L96 can currently. A VSR in effect can be easily made to outperform a L96 but as you upgrade to this level is going to cost a lot of money. For this reason YOU need to decide what your goals are for this role. YOU also need to decide how much money you are willing to put into the role to achieve those goals.
If you just want to learn the sniper role, or do it part time a L96 made by TM, maruzen or UTG (never thought I would recommend a UTG anything) can be a great replica and is adequate in that it can be made to outperform a AEG in consistent accuracy and range. However, if you decide you end goal is the very limit in consistent accuracy and range and you are going to play this role at least 50% of the time then starting a slow build up of a VSR10 and its clones is a better choice at this time. The VSR and its clones are a better platform for upgraded builds and very high level performance.
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Going in another direction, the A&K SVD accepts AEG type hopup rubbers and barrels, so upgrading that much of it is cheap and could produce a half decent shooter.
So long as your fingers are up to it, it's not the most comfortable rifle to hold or cock.
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All my research will be concluded tonight, thank you to everybody for helping out, even you Palafox :-). So far it looks like I will be going with the L96. P.S. if anybody wants to give me any tips on how to not suck at sniping Im all ears, and so is my PM Box I AM SUCH A MORON!.
Thanks again boys!
There are lots of threads on sniping already archived.
The role of sniper is more than taking long range shots it is more about communicating effectively in support of a squad that is willing to move to use that information.
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There are lots of threads on sniping already archived.
The role of sniper is more than taking long range shots it is more about communicating effectively in support of a squad that is willing to move to use that information.
I will say I think "Threads on Sniping, Being a support Gunner ect ect are total crap. You learn by DOING. If you try something and take a few BB's to the face , you learn real fast that was a bad move and try something else. You learn from experience not some Cyber Fool who thinks he has the answers and will make "Everyone" the best. The more you do it the better you will get. A Player can read all the threads he wants. If he doen't have it He Doesnt Have It! Rereading some Thread wont make ANYONE a Sniper. Experience does..
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You could throw $200 out on a Zero Trigger that can handle a 170 spring. Thats great but here is the BIG problem. YOU HAVE A 500FPS LIMIT! A UTG L96 isn't far from our FPS limit right out of the box. Not including Optics and cosmedics. I have only about $200 into performance upgrades. Does $200 vs $2000 make a L96 less of a shooter? Hell if I know. I just have 2 that have VERY little invested and know when and when not to squeeze the trigger. Ask anyone who has shot a upgraded L96 or been shot with 1. A BB hitting you at 470 fps is still a hit no matter how much $$$ the shooter invested into the Rifle.
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I understand I play regluarly at c3 games I am simply stating that if you save your money the zero trigger is out there and it is useful. I agree that you need to play before you go crazy with upgrading . And also Rich you prove your fact by hitting me a bunch of times last at pl and I still had fun shooting you .
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wel guys thanks again for the wise words, last night I ordered a UTG L96 or Mk96, with scope bipod etc in ACU. So I desperatly hoping we will be playing at PL next sunday, so I can pop the cherry on that bad boy, Rich I hope youll be there, now that you know who I am hahaha.
Im getting the UTG L96 but I dont know what color to go with yet, OD or a camo one? Anyway im going to be getting a madbull 6.01 tightbore barrel, also a decent scope bipod and I should be set. Then when I get more experience with it i'll upgraded the internals. Should I get a weaker spring and upgrade the other stuff that will make it shoot hard and accurate but still be under 500 FPS? I'm sorta new to the sniper upgrade thing and I really would appreciate some guidance. Thanks
Im getting the UTG L96 but I dont know what color to go with yet, OD or a camo one? Anyway im going to be getting a madbull 6.01 tightbore barrel, also a decent scope bipod and I should be set. Then when I get more experience with it i'll upgraded the internals. Should I get a weaker spring and upgrade the other stuff that will make it shoot hard and accurate but still be under 500 FPS? I'm sorta new to the sniper upgrade thing and I really would appreciate some guidance. Thanks
In my experience, camo for gun has never been anything terribly necessary, unless you intend on playing with a ghille or crawl suit, then it might be a bit helpful.
As far as your upgrades go, get a bucking to go with that barrel. A good hop up bucking is one of, if not the most important piece in your future gun. Your stock spring will be fine for a good long while, just be sure to take good care of the gun.
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In my experience, camo for gun has never been anything terribly necessary
Since when is half our crap neccesary
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....point taken We are, after all, playing dress up and shooting toy guns
I guess all I'd say is it isn't really necessary. I've never painted my rifle except for going to a big game either at C3 or elsewhere, but even then it isn't anything to lose sleep over.
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Stupid Sniper noob poll
We are, after all, playing dress up and shooting toy guns 
