Canadian police telling us what we should already know. Also, even when police clearly see that it's airsoft, you are still tying up resources that could be used elsewhere. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/st...fake-guns.html
Well... at least this guy that posted in the comments seems to have some sensible thing to say.
"If you can't handle a real or replica firearm then you shouldn't possess them. I own both real (legally) and replica firearms. You really can't tell the difference unless you examine them closely.
Use your head and think about if I were to bring the replica firearm out in public, will a police officer shoot me?? or anyone else for that matter. Keep them home, keep them away from prying eyes if you want to keep them.
Airsoft users, the same goes to you. The reason why they made them is to be one step closer to the real firearms instead of using paintball guns to shoot each other with. The military uses them for training but you don't see them running around pointing them at people outside the training areas. Treat the airsoft firearm with respect. If you value your sport, watch over each other or you will lose them all together.
All you people who say " ban all firearms, replica and toy guns", get a grip, that won't be happening soon. You might as well ban all knives as well because people are stabbing each other with them. Do you have an action plan to get them ALL off our streets? If you do have a whiz bang idea, then get in government and do something about it instead of trying write something that sorta sounds like a smart idea on here. Geez.
The police should prosecute people who misuse replica firearms and treat them as an actual firearm. Make them do some hard labour for their stupidity." - tobascocat1
Besides that all these airsoft storys reported by the media always seem so broken and disconnected to me.
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What sucks is the poor Troy cop finds himself in trouble now just for doing his job.
People should have to pass an IQ test before they are aloud to reproduce!
The thing I don't understand is, it doesn't really say that the cop shot the kid, just shot at him. I see it more as a warning shot than anything else. As long as the kid wasn't injured, I see nothing wrong with it.
Although, shouldn't the cop have yelled something like "Troy County Police! Drop the weapon!" or something along those lines? In my opinion, if he were to have yelled that instead of just "Drop the weapon!" I think the whole event wouldn't have happened.
True, the cop is getting in trouble for what he was trained to do? The kid turned around with the gun in his hand and pointed it torwards the cop? Then the cop fired a round when he demanded he put down the gun? I don't blame him.
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The thing I don't understand is, it doesn't really say that the cop shot the kid, just shot at him. I see it more as a warning shot than anything else. As long as the kid wasn't injured, I see nothing wrong with it.
Although, shouldn't the cop have yelled something like "Troy County Police! Drop the weapon!" or something along those lines? In my opinion, if he were to have yelled that instead of just "Drop the weapon!" I think the whole event wouldn't have happened.
Standard procedure in all police encounters is to identify who you are first, then the order you're giving them. For exactly the reason you mention.
I have no doubt that the cop identified himself first. Just because it's not written there doesn't mean it didn't happen.
There is no such thing as a warning shot according to procedure. If a service sidearm or patrol rifle is fired it will be aimed at center mass. At the range they dont say ...."Now a waste bullet and then engage your target!"
Just be happy no one died mostly due to the misfire of this officer of the law because had he connected he would have been completely justified due to the non-comliance of a perpetrator with a firearm pointed at law enforcement personel .
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Lets see here. Patrol unit,Law Enforcement uniform,Weapon drawn. I think the "Standard procedure in all police encounters" was in order when the Officer Pulled up.
As mentioned, there are no warning shots. When you fire any of your duty weapons it is trained that you do it with the purpose to, essentially, wound or kill someone to "neutralize the threat."
This kid probably was just lucky. Lucky that the shot missed.
The problem with warning shots is the danger involved with doing such a thing. An AR-15 fires a very high velocity round that can have quite a bit of reach on it. If he fired a warning shot, that round could have traveled down range 400 or 500 meters, go through a window, and strike little Billy playing X-Box in his living room. It's just unsafe to do so. If you squeeze the trigger, that action needs to be the result of you fearing for serious bodily harm or death to you or another.
Also, it could be argued in court that if you fire a warning shot that you were NOT in fear of serious bodily harm or death because you did not fire to hit the subject whom you deemed as some sort of threat.
This kid is very lucky he's not at the morgue right now. This is just airsoft stupidity at another level, and should be a lesson to every single player of the game. Learn by his mistake. It almost cost him his life.
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He mistook the officer for a player. Yea cause the badge and the police car make him look like a player. There really isn't a picard big enough for that kid!
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Hell, we get questioned any time we draw our side arm from our holsters, so its no surprise the officer is on leave after shooting. I got one day of (paid) Admin. leave after I Tazed a suspect a couple months back.
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Hell, we get questioned any time we draw our side arm from our holsters, so its no surprise the officer is on leave after shooting. I got one day of (paid) Admin. leave after I Tazed a suspect a couple months back.
....yeah, turns out that's not how you help an old lady cross the street.
"They could have (known) it was a toy. It was like the brightest orange tips on all the guns. So, if he would have looked first, he really would have saw it," said Randy King."
"I just don't feel that they judged the situation properly. I feel they could have done a better job,"
"They should give us an apology,"
"Wow. You really have to shoot a real gun. Why can't you just say, 'Hey, what are you doing guys,"
Good lord, comments like these make me sick to my stomach. Society itself does not have a clue what Police Officers go through daily, they deserve so much better than this. These kids should be apologizing to the arresting officer!
I find the second of the original two articles to be more alarming; What is society coming to when we have to be reminded not to carry around fake firearms? Where has common sense gone?
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I dunno, I kinda wish we'd have a nice reminder like that around here with some sort of wake-up call news story like the first article to really get the BYA'ers to sniff the roses.
But the backlash from it would be awful...
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I think it's amazing that in a society where we can bring the whole world together through manipulating electrons or even just pure energy (light) in a cable a quarter inch in diameter (or smaller), where I can walk down the street and buy a banana grown halfway around the world for the price of a newspaper 60 years ago, where we are on the brink of curing cancer and AIDS, where I can power my home with just the rays of the sun, that we cannot teach our own children some common sense and hold ourselves responsible for the same.
Maybe we've been pushing Darwin too far away or maybe he's just not working hard enough, because it has become self evident that there are people around who would have, 100 years ago, eaten that funny colored berry and died a horrible, rotten death.
Oooh! Berries! nom nom nom...
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I often wonder why the parents haven't passed along some 'common sense' & safety about airsoft guns. But then again - the parents probably don't have a clue and probably don't care. That's a shame.
Luckily, that 17 year old kid wasn't playing with real guns (this time?).
Well this right here is why im starting to get out of airsoft. All the stupid in the people cant handle themselfs. OH yeah on the subject of darwin... Peoples lives are to cozy and what not that they cant walk off a clif because they are wondering what it feels like.
Also can that even be considered airsoft it looks more like shoot dodge shoot doge etc etc...
Also i walked in to gander mountain today.. They had cyber gun airsoft guns there and 3 out of 5 of them the orange tip was worn off and the paint was chiping off. Also the one m-16 barely had anything for a orange tip it was about a quarter of a inch on the flashider.
Honestly the orange tips seem to cause more problems than prevent. No police officer is stupid enough to back down just because he sees some orange paint at the tip of the gun being pointed at him. Any moron with 1/3rd a brain can paint the end of a real gun with orange paint which defeats the purpose of putting them on airsoft guns. Also on the other side it give the sorry excuse of parents the false idea that the orange tip makes the 1/1 replica magically not a threat anymore, and not only that but gives them an excuse when something goes wrong.
Because im tired of dealing with all this crap i just want to push it in the back of my head. I really stoped doing everything that i enjoy to do just because of all the idiots out there. The most i do anymore is off roading in my kart and work on it. It just im tired of the idiots in this world.
I love the "orange tip=fake" argument. I was sent to a class presented by the Pennsylvania State Police talking about how dangerous airsoft weapons are and how criminals have been using airsoft/bb guns more frequently in felonies.
Suffice to say, no one I work with knows I play airsoft. Airsoft is despised in the Law Enforcement community.
/We did confiscate a cool shotgun springer a week ago during a traffic stop though :)
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Because im tired of dealing with all this crap i just want to push it in the back of my head. I really stoped doing everything that i enjoy to do just because of all the idiots out there. The most i do anymore is off roading in my kart and work on it. It just im tired of the idiots in this world.
You're letting the idiots run your life for you.
It's the mature, responsible, & safe players in airsoft that help set a positive example. C3 sets the standards HIGH and for a damn good reason.
So, get off the couch and play more airsoft with C3. Talk to your neighbors & their kids and tell them about C3. Get them on the fields - parents & kids alike!!
It's the mature, responsible, & safe players in airsoft that help set a positive example. C3 sets the standards HIGH and for a damn good reason.
So, get off the couch and play more airsoft with C3. Talk to your neighbors & their kids and tell them about C3. Get them on the fields - parents & kids alike!!
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I have to let idiots run my life because manslaughter is illegal! Also the other reason im getting out of airsoft is a hour and a half drive is just to much. So why bother Keeping the gear if havent played in a few years. Its just taking up space. All i use my rifle anymore is target shooting and thats about it.
And for the neibor thing what neibors i live in the middle of knowere. But the thing is the idiots driving down the road always call the cops for me driving my kart around like what the heck its private property and i have all the right to drive it.
