That's right, we are a group of players who are serious about doing Vietnam impressions through our loadouts. To join you must have a Vietnam loadout, whether it be U.S. or NVA, VC or ARVN, but it must be one of the countries involved in the war. You must have a complete loadout for whatever country you choose, and it must be complete with a correct rifle for that country during the Vietnam War. If you are considering doing a VN loadout, please refrain from joining until you have your loadout, we don't want to have this end up being a 50 person team with only 5 or 6 people that have the correct gear and attend events with us.
PM me to join.
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That's right, we are a group of players who are serious about doing Vietnam impressions through our loadouts. To join you must have a Vietnam loadout, whether it be U.S. or NVA, VC or ARVN, but it must be one of the countries involved in the war. You must have a complete loadout for whatever country you choose, and it must be complete with a correct rifle for that country during the Vietnam War. If you are considering doing a VN loadout, please refrain from joining until you have your loadout, we don't want to have this end up being a 50 person team with only 5 or 6 people that have the correct gear and attend events with us.
PM me to join.
does an m4 count as a vietnam weapon, or can it only be a m16 vn?
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- M21 (M14 wood)
- M40
- springfield 1903
- Model 70
Remember this is a GENERAL list of the weapons we want you to have for the team requirements. If i missed something and you are positively sure there was a weapon that was used in Vietnam post here asking it. But please research the gun before asking. Also some weapons like the Thompson, B.A.R, Uzi or Mac 10 etc. were used rarely. Unless you are doing a viet-cong imp or NVA or some other country besides the U.S. that got "left-over" weaponry.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Thompson was only used by the advisors early in the war, it wouldn't really be correct for most other loadouts. But remember, it's more than having a gun from then, you must have a complete loadout. If you're serious enough about this then have patience and wait until you acquire your gear before asking to join.
Here is a list of guns and gear used in vietnam, with pictures and information. You don't need every single piece of gear on the list, but a rifle weapon, uniform, helmet or soft cover, and web gear and/or bandoliers are required.
2) For this group how Serious serious is the gear requirements? My current load out is:
OD Green Vietnam Jacket
OD Green Pants
M14 Wood Stock no Scope or anything
M58 Kit
US Helmit with Austrian Liner (it was $20 instead of $140)
Red Bandana
Hiking boots
(Can't use my Tomb Raider side arm can I :p)
So what I am asking is do I need a new go buy periord correct boats and pants, and American Liner for my Helmet? If this is an dumb noob question I am sorry but I do not know how Period correct we needed to be.
Sounds like a fun group :)
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Reason: for got details and can't spell
Well slide some stuff for now since it is just starting. What kind of green pants are they? also get the Jungle boots in replace of those hiking boots. The helmet liner is ok. Yes, you can have as many impressions you want. Not sure about the M58 web gear. But then again, it depends on what your portraying.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
1) Can you be in more then One Group?
A:
Yes, you can.
2) For this group how Serious serious is the gear requirements? My current load out is:
A:
The Vietnam themed events are very serious, so we are going to try to be too. You don't need all original gear, repro stuff is fine, but match your loadout to an actual branch of what ever nation you choose that was directly involved with the conflict. If you want to do a U.S. grunt loadout, you can't have an FAL, for example.
OD Green Vietnam Jacket
OD Green Pants
M14 Wood Stock no Scope or anything
M58 Kit
US Helmit with Austrian Liner (it was $20 instead of $140)
Red Bandana
Hiking boots
(Can't use my Tomb Raider side arm can I :p)
So what I am asking is do I need a new go buy periord correct boats and pants, and American Liner for my Helmet? If this is an dumb noob question I am sorry but I do not know how Period correct we needed to be.
A:
Make sure you have a correct loadout, absolutely. As I said, we plan on attending future Vietnam themed events as a group, so you will need an accurate loadout. You don't have to be a part of the team to do a Vietnam inspired loadout, but to be a part of the team you do need an accurate loadout with an accurate period rifle. And don't worry, no one is asking anybody to buy any boats
Sounds like a fun group :)
[color="Red"]Indeed fun is a large part of it for us, but there are requirements that have to be met to attend 'Nam themed events, and if you can't meet the requirements, then join when you can, when you have a loadout that is passable at such events.[COLOR]
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You guys don't have to do US military impressions. You can do NVA/VC, ANZAC, ARVN, south korean, thailand and other countries' Militaries that were involved in the conflict. I myself am doing a US special forces loadout(I.E SOG/SF/SEAL etc.) I also suggest you get your loadout ideas from this website forum: http://www.vietnamairsoft.com/viewto...=264&start=140
Thompson was only used by the advisors early in the war, it wouldn't really be correct for most other loadouts. But remember, it's more than having a gun from then, you must have a complete loadout. If you're serious enough about this then have patience and wait until you acquire your gear before asking to join.
Here is a list of guns and gear used in vietnam, with pictures and information. You don't need every single piece of gear on the list, but a rifle weapon, uniform, helmet or soft cover, and web gear and/or bandoliers are required.
But if not I'll wait otherwise would an olive drab top, multicam pants, m1967 pouch, and maybe a helmet work?
I will also try to get an UZI or a m10
No your m4 has a removable carry handle an it's not even close to an xm177e2. Also multicam pants won't work either, remember it's a vietnam airsoft group, they didn't have multicam back then. Please look at the links for gear reference. For you here is two more links......
US Infantry http://historicalmilsim.com/drupal/node/22
I was hoping to do a US Infintry Soldier if that helps decide if my gear is good.
The Pants are cargos from some store, however everyone thought they were OD Buds at the op :) But they probably need to be replaced right?
The boots I will work on getting, I figured they had to go.
So the rigging I am using is still up for review then... Where would I go to find this stuff out because google is kicken my but now. You guys seem to know so much more then me you must have read it some where.
I would like to join this group but I will have to wait to get some more gear then :(
Also, I am working on a LARC-V Amphibious Craft for these games. That way the C3 team will always ride in style
I was hoping to do a US Infintry Soldier if that helps decide if my gear is good.
The Pants are cargos from some store, however everyone thought they were OD Buds at the op :) But they probably need to be replaced right?
The boots I will work on getting, I figured they had to go.
So the rigging I am using is still up for review then... Where would I go to find this stuff out because google is kicken my but now. You guys seem to know so much more then me you must have read it some where.
I would like to join this group but I will have to wait to get some more gear then :(
Also, I am working on a LARC-V Amphibious Craft for these games. That way the C3 team will always ride in style
Alright cool, I'm sure the m58 web gear will be fine, but try to get some m56 pouches to mix in there so it'll look more authentic (I.E buttpack, ammo pouches, canteen covers)
Alright cool, I'm sure the m58 web gear will be fine, but try to get some m56 pouches to mix in there so it'll look more authentic (I.E buttpack, ammo pouches, canteen covers)
You can pm him(if you have an account) or email him at johhat393@cs.com and ask what m56 stuff he has.
Awesome, just sent him an email. Now i just need to return my Las Vegas First Anniversery trip so I can afford to buy all this new stuff.(the Pouches are cheap but the boots and pants will so up to clearly on the CC bill) YAY Married Money
To Mardivdoc: I will take the M58 pouches off and buy the M56 pouches. I will just use the same Harnes.
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Still looking for people to join. Also right now it is not a STRICT group since we are just really starting. But we ask that you have at least the uniform, weapon and a basic unit of gear and then improve from there.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
That's right, we really don't want to have this end up with 50 people joining because they "might get the gear" and then end up with only four or five people having the gear. We're really hoping that we can attend Vietnam oriented Airsoft events as a group in the future.
Also, I would like to put out a notice to anyone considering joining before they purchase a replica:
JG and Echo1 M16A1/VN's are not correct period weapons. They are A2's with triangle forearms slapped on, which kind of ruined my plan of dropping my Marui gearbox into an
E1 body. Research before you buy a replica if you plan on joining, G&P,
TM, and CA make accurate VN/A1 replica's.
To convert an E1 or JG you need to relace the upper reciever and pistol grip for ones like this shown in the first two photographs on this page. The last photograph shows an A2 and you will notice, if you study both, how the rear sights and pistol grips differ. I wanted to let everyone know before they buy, so they can decide on whether or not to buy a different brand, or replace the necessary parts.
I talked with Mike earlier today, and I was wondering if it was feasible to be a Russian Advisor and if anyone knew the equipment that the Russian Advisors to the North used?
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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Yes that is aloud if you have a correct period holster.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I believe it was used only by the tunnel rats but I'm not sure. Nonetheless, it is fine, just limited to certain units. I recommend getting a 1911 instead, since that was more common. But here is a real smith and wesson revolver holster: http://www.omahas.com/product_info.php?products_id=2353
It may have been carried in their butt pack pouch or anywhere they had room for it to fit, since that kind of pistol would of been privately purchased. Or unless you do your own research since it's not really our job to spoon feed you the answers :P
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks i was thinking of just getting tunnle rat gear because i dont have 200$$$ to get an m16 and it sounds fun to 'reanact' my favorite war
Just get OD jungle fatigues, Vietnam Jungle Boots(repro is fine), M1 helmet with mitchell helmet cover, M56 pistol belt/suspenders and that revolver holster. Thats pretty much it.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks i was also thinking of a cool tunnel rat patch, where are we gonna play these games?
Guys, our requirements demand you have a rifle, which can be any on the list above as long as it corresponds to the country's military you choose. A good American rifle is the M14, AGM UTG and Cyma all make M14's for $130-160, but no "shorty"/SOC16/Scout M14's allowed.
We base our requirements on what the fields/event organizers have said for past operations, because they will require everyone to have the gear and a rifle. You must meet the requirements because we hope to attend future events, as a group, that are "Vietnam Oriented". Please understand that before you consider joining.
I ask that everyone read the whole thread as there is already and will continue to be alot of good information that will help you to figure out if this is for you and may answer some of your questions before you ask. As Will said, we aren't here to spoon feed you information, if you're really into this you can do a little research, read the info we have provided in this thread, and only after you've dont that should you ask questions if they still remain unanswered.
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Hey guys, just a couple questions. I'm in the process of restoring a Tanaka M700. Now, the M24 is the militarized version of the M700 and the Model 70 is near identical. Would there be problem if I were to use that down the road? I'm also looking into getting some replica period optics for the the rifle, for whatever that's worth.
My other question is what are your thoughts on the Tiger Stripe camo pattern? I know that it was not issued at any time by the US [I know we can do loadouts other than US], however the US Spec Forces used them if they got a hold of them once they got there. On that same note, are you just doing period uniform, or period uniform with patches?
I'm in the process of going through all those links, so I'm sorry if I missed something. This sounds like a cool idea though and I'd like to get in on it if possible.
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As long as you have a uniform, basic set of gear and period weapon then you'll be set. You can have patches for your uniform or not. your choice. Yes, Tiger stripe is allowed as long as it's the "Vietnam kind". Yes, there is a difference between the ones from the company Proper and the ones used in Vietnam.
Your rifle I'll have to talk to the guys about. I'm sure it will be fine but just want to have a confirmation for that. Also you can talk to "silent Snipez" Mike for the SF stuff since that is what he is doing.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey guys, just a couple questions. I'm in the process of restoring a Tanaka M700. Now, the M24 is the militarized version of the M700 and the Model 70 is near identical. Would there be problem if I were to use that down the road? I'm also looking into getting some replica period optics for the the rifle, for whatever that's worth.
My other question is what are your thoughts on the Tiger Stripe camo pattern? I know that it was not issued at any time by the US [I know we can do loadouts other than US], however the US Spec Forces used them if they got a hold of them once they got there. On that same note, are you just doing period uniform, or period uniform with patches?
I'm in the process of going through all those links, so I'm sorry if I missed something. This sounds like a cool idea though and I'd like to get in on it if possible.
If the M700 has the wood stock, you are golden. Also, the SF used 2 different kinds of tiger stripe, the gold tiger stripe for the dry season, and dark tiger stripe for the monsoon season. They were used commonly by LRRP, SOG,NAVY SEALS, and green berets I believe. OD jungles are also fine to use for SF impressions and were common. USMC recon used OD jungles or EDRL .You can get either a period correct uniform without patches or with patches, as long as the patches match what impression you are doing! Here are replica tiger stripes in correct form: http://www.vtarmynavy.com/vintage_vietnam_fatigues.htm
The M700 will be fine. The U.S. used M700, M70, and M40's during the war. But make sure you have a wood stock version. Tanaka makes a wood stock version of the M40 that uses the same upgrade parts and mags if there isn't a wood stock version M700.
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Cool. Thanks for the Tiger Stripe info, Mike. My problem now is that my Tanaka has a composite styled stock instead of the wood. Prior to taking interest in this group, I was going to paint the stock [though I didn't know what pattern I was going to use yet]. I'm researching now to see if they would colour the guns at all, and if so then what they did. Would that fly with you guys or am I better off going for the wood stock?
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Yeah, I guess it would, but provide a picture of an actual soldier in Vietnam with a painted M700 as evidence though. Honestly if you havebn't ordered it yet, I would say woodstock, but if you can provide evidence that they might've custom painted their sniper rifle, that would work too.
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I've had the gun for a little while already and it's the composite kind. I don't want you guys to bend the rules just for the sake of the stock on a gun. I'll look around and see if I can dig up some photos of painted guns, but if not, no worries.
The other thing I'm looking into is if I can find just a wood stock and nothing more, so I can put it on the gun. I'll let you guys know
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Im going to be in this group as soon as I get veitnam pants!
Not without a complete kit, uniform, and rifle. READ the requirements again please.
Also, Drew, I know they make M40 style stocks for BAR10's and if you would rather use the M700 you could see if there is any way to do a wood stain on the composite stock, I think Isaw where a guy on vietnamairsoft.com did that to his M700.
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Hmmm, that would definitely be simpler than buying/making a wood stock. I've done some more research, and snipers typically did not start custom painting their rifles until the early to mid 80's, so camo painting is out of the question. However staining it might work well. My concern is that the JG stocks are rubberized, whereas the Tanaka has a harder plastic. Would you guys be cool with that? [painting and staining the stock as opposed to getting an actual wood one]. Let me know what you think.
I'll paint the stock on my KJW M700 prior to even touch the Tanaka's, just in case I suck
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Will do. It might take me a few days to get around to it, but I'll take pics along the way.
Also, though I'm fairly certain of the answer, for appearance's sake I should just stick with the 10 round mags for the M700 instead of the 30's, yeah?
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Will do. It might take me a few days to get around to it, but I'll take pics along the way.
Also, though I'm fairly certain of the answer, for appearance's sake I should just stick with the 10 round mags for the M700 instead of the 30's, yeah?
Probably, they're cheaper anyway. I would say do what you want/have to for the staining, it will be great to see once is said and done. If you wanted to get more custom about it you could try fitting the parts to a real wood stock, alot of the WWII guys do that to make Kar-98's, but of course wood staining would be alot easier and less expensive.
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