I have been told that this is disrespectful to all veterans by someone who chose to remain anonymous. I would like to just say that we mean no disrespect to anyone in doing this.
We aren't doing anything differently from those who portray soldiers from any other wars, but single us out, sure. So are moies and living re-enactments of actual events disrespectful too? So you've never sat through a movie about an actual event and enjoyed it? You're telling me anytime you've seen something based off of real events that you immediatley think "wow, that is disrespectful", right? I'm sorry, but no, I guarantee you don't walk around doing that, so don't single us out.
As a final note, the only people who have earned the right to even think that this is disrespectful in anyway, would be Vietnam veterans themselves.
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As a final note, the only people who have earned the right to even think that this is disrespectful in anyway, would be Vietnam veterans themselves.
You can't control what people think, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Whatever you do, someone somewhere won't like it. Just keep doing what you do and let them moan. It's their problem, not yours.
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Okay, I am really tired of people hiding behind the rep system to tell us that what we're doing is wrong. You don't like what we do, fine, but atleast have the balls to speak up publicly about it, or let us do our own thing in peace, we certainly aren't keeping you from doing your thing.
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First:
'This is a disgrace to all Vets. You weren't in the war. Please do not try to "re-enact" it.'
Then there's this:
'Did you ever think that someone who lost relatives in Vietnam, would not like people running around playing Airsoft, trying to imitate soldiers in Vietnam? I don't care either way if you have this group or not but, please do not wear insignias.'
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Why this is such a big bad thing, we don't know. I'd bet that most of us have lost relatives to one war or another. For all you know any or all of us might have lost relatives in Vietnam too, maybe that's why we joined this group. You just don't know.
We're trying to show respect for those who have served. We are showing veterans that somebody truly appreciates what they did, and those veterans that we've talked to, are proud that somebody appreciates it enough to keep the memory alive, whether it's through airsoft, re-enactments, or whatever, it just makes them happy to know that they haven't been forgotten and it makes them feel appreciated.
So before you go around telling us that we're disrespectful, ask a veteran if they would like it if we all just pretended that they did nothing worth remembering.
Did you ever think that those who have served would like it if we all just forgot about what they did, and went on acting as if it meant nothing? We all know the answer to that, now don't we.
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Okay, I am really tired of people hiding behind the rep system to tell us that what we're doing is wrong. You don't like what we do, fine, but atleast have the balls to speak up publicly about it, or let us do our own thing in peace, we certainly aren't keeping you from doing your thing.
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First:
'This is a disgrace to all Vets. You weren't in the war. Please do not try to "re-enact" it.'
Then there's this:
'Did you ever think that someone who lost relatives in Vietnam, would not like people running around playing Airsoft, trying to imitate soldiers in Vietnam? I don't care either way if you have this group or not but, please do not wear insignias.'
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Why this is such a big bad thing, we don't know. I'd bet that most of us have lost relatives to one war or another. For all you know any or all of us might have lost relatives in Vietnam too, maybe that's why we joined this group. You just don't know.
We're trying to show respect for those who have served. We are showing veterans that somebody truly appreciates what they did, and those veterans that we've talked to, are proud that somebody appreciates it enough to keep the memory alive, whether it's through airsoft, re-enactments, or whatever, it just makes them happy to know that they haven't been forgotten and it makes them feel appreciated.
So before you go around telling us that we're disrespectful, ask a veteran if they would like it if we all just pretended that they did nothing worth remembering.
Did you ever think that those who have served would like it if we all just forgot about what they did, and went on acting as if it meant nothing? We all know the answer to that, now don't we.
Not looking to choose sides, but I'd like to share some insight.
I think maybe some people are confused what you are trying to do. I know I am. When you say impressions, do you mean like this: vietnamairsoft.com
That's reenactment. Few people have problems with that.
However, I think where the disagreement is coming from is the idea of a Vietnam Airsoft group playing at the weekly C3 games. Having a Vietnam squad running around mixed with the normal players is not reenactment.
Again, I'm not sure what your idea is but about the insignias, I remember there was an idea proposed of having them as ranks on this forum but this idea was met with mixed reception. You're certainly entitled to doing something like that, but expect some people to be offended.
Anyhow, I just think it may help some people to understand what exactly you are trying to do if you explained it a little bit more.
Not looking to choose sides, but I'd like to share some insight.
I think maybe some people are confused what you are trying to do. I know I am. When you say impressions, do you mean like this: vietnamairsoft.com
That's reenactment. Few people have problems with that.
However, I think where the disagreement is coming from is the idea of a Vietnam Airsoft group playing at the weekly C3 games. Having a Vietnam squad running around mixed with the normal players is not reenactment.
Again, I'm not sure what your idea is but about the insignias, I remember there was an idea proposed of having them as ranks on this forum but this idea was met with mixed reception. You're certainly entitled to doing something like that, but expect some people to be offended.
Anyhow, I just think it may help some people to understand what exactly you are trying to do if you explained it a little bit more.
Best of luck to you.
No, as I have tried to explain several times(apparently unsuccessfully), we are organizing a group of players that would be interested in attending Vietnam airsoft re-enactments. Members are certainly allowed to wear their Vietnam loadouts at games, of course, and we certainly might work as a group during weekly games so that we can practice for the re-enactments, but we are geared more towards attending re-enactments together than being a "weekly Vietnam team" I guess you would call it.
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Okay, I am really tired of people hiding behind the rep system to tell us that what we're doing is wrong. You don't like what we do, fine, but atleast have the balls to speak up publicly about it, or let us do our own thing in peace, we certainly aren't keeping you from doing your thing.
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First:
'This is a disgrace to all Vets. You weren't in the war. Please do not try to "re-enact" it.'
Then there's this:
'Did you ever think that someone who lost relatives in Vietnam, would not like people running around playing Airsoft, trying to imitate soldiers in Vietnam? I don't care either way if you have this group or not but, please do not wear insignias.'
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Why this is such a big bad thing, we don't know. I'd bet that most of us have lost relatives to one war or another. For all you know any or all of us might have lost relatives in Vietnam too, maybe that's why we joined this group. You just don't know.
We're trying to show respect for those who have served. We are showing veterans that somebody truly appreciates what they did, and those veterans that we've talked to, are proud that somebody appreciates it enough to keep the memory alive, whether it's through airsoft, re-enactments, or whatever, it just makes them happy to know that they haven't been forgotten and it makes them feel appreciated.
So before you go around telling us that we're disrespectful, ask a veteran if they would like it if we all just pretended that they did nothing worth remembering.
Did you ever think that those who have served would like it if we all just forgot about what they did, and went on acting as if it meant nothing? We all know the answer to that, now don't we.
Frank, this is getting really close to whining about rep. Let the fools believe what they want to believe. Please let it go.
Now, my personal feelings on this issue are simple: I see what you are doing as honoring the vets. Most of the people on this forum are too young to remember when they built the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in DC. There was a lot of opposition to it's construction, believe it or not. It was an unpopular war, made even more so by people like Jane Fonda and her celebrated treasonous acts.
I grew up around a lot of older guys that actually fought in Vietnam. At the time, and really up to 9/11, soldiering was considered something only poor/unskilled people did. Even in the late 1980s, people still looked at VN vets and all soldiers as "baby killers." Good Americans that chose to serve their nation were pitied and held in contempt! The attitudes are different now, but it can't repair the damage that was done to our servicemen at the time.
As I stated previously, construction of the VN Vets Memorial was met with some opposition. The impression I was left with was that the vets that survived wanted the American people to know about the sacrifices made by their fallen comrades. They wanted the people to know that those brave men shouldn't be derided for their efforts, they should be lauded as heroes.
You guys aren't trying to pass yourselves off as vets of a war that ended 40 years ago. You are standing up and saying "I won't forget about them!" The problem that we as airsofters have is from the retards that wear the uniforms, ranks, and insignias of the current military, and then try to pass themselves off as real soldiers. Those morons are without honor and deserve our contempt. The people that are negging you are one step above the posers.
I won't go as far as saying you're honoring anyone, but I don't think you're dishonoring anyone either. Well, until you start wearing patches that you didn't earn.
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However, I think where the disagreement is coming from is the idea of a Vietnam Airsoft group playing at the weekly C3 games. Having a Vietnam squad running around mixed with the normal players is not reenactment.
Pretty much perfectly stated. But I'd like to expand on it:
Three huge problems stand in your way:
1) You are all kids.
Nobody takes kids seriously. It's a fact of life and you will all do the same thing eventually. It's not because anything bad happens to you when you get older, you just realize that kids are notoriously finicky.
Sure you guys are into this right now, but what about next week, week after that? Everyone expects you to drop it as soon as the next shiny thing passes by. No one really wants to give you credibility when that is looming.
And then there is the age thing. Most of you in this group are too young to have even been shipped over at the time. So it looks like you're kids playing war, and not really doing a reenactment.
I used to be really interested in Civil War Reenacting, and while I never could do it because of budget, I attended many a reenactment event. There you would see kids, but they would always stick out as sore thumbs. Not because of their size/youth look, but because they were acting different than the adults. They wouldn't stay "in character", they'd be dressed wrong, they would seemingly get bored and only "get involved" during the combat shows.
Reenacting is LIVING the person(or type of person) you've chosen to do an impression of. It's not "ok, that 15 minute battle's over, I'm back to be being Steve the 16 year old who's into cars, video games, and calling my girl on the cellphone".
2) You are playing a game
If you are going to show up at airshows or other events, that'd be one thing. But you guys are playing a game, one where you will abandon any sort of historical accuracy to achieve the victory of the game. While it might not seem different to you, it is. When you reeanact, you're to reenact battles, mirroring movements, regardless of loss of force.
Not one of you does that here. You all are out to play the airsoft game. Which is fine, but you can't do both reenacting and playing at the same time. At least not in this setting.
And this isn't limited to Vietnam reenactors. There have been a few WW2 impressions show up at the games, ones who I know reenact elsewhere (DoubleV springs to mind), but I never considered him reenacting while he was here at the games. And while I won't presume to speak for him, I never got the impression he thought he was reenacting during the games either.
What I did think he was doing was getting an idea of what it was like to move around in this gear to better understand what it was like for them and to better his reenacting elsewhere.
Now, you say that you do plan on attending reenactments. That's great, but that is the first time you've said so. You should be focusing on that far more than getting the right gear or airsoft weapon. Cause right now, it looks like all this is just for the "weekly vietnam team."
3) Vietnam Vets are alive and well all over the place.
Unlike Civil War Reenactors, your subjects are alive and well. Honestly, and this is just my personal feeling, reenacting something where most of those who experienced it are still alive, shouldn't be done. What would you say is more honorable? Going to the guy that actually went there and asking him your questions… or going to the guy that's impersonating him, who's only combat experience is Call of Duty, and asking him the questions because he's all decked out in a costume?
For Civil War, WW1, WW2… they serve a great purpose. To tell/show you what it was like for them since no one else really can anymore.
You don't have that here. I can go to just about anyone 55-65 and ask them my questions, a lot of them still have their gear from their time served as well, so I can see the actual stuff. And then I'll get a recounting that isn't tainted by some author's/movie's rendition of what happened.
Now, I say all this not to deter, but remind you that you have a serious uphill battle.
You can please some of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time.
If you believe that this is something you really want to do and plan to take it to the levels you've said you want to then by all means go for it and enjoy it. It is no one else's right to tell you that you can't go do this because they are offended. The fact of the matter is that if everyone didn't do something because someone else was offended by it we'd all be sitting in a pitch black room on a stool with nothing else in the room, no windows and only a thick soundproof door. If it is something YOU want to do and YOU find interesting then do it and enjoy it. You aren't blatantly offending anyone by destroying the reputations of someone or anything so you have all the right in the world to portray whoever you want to.
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For anyone interested in joining a group, starting a group, giving helpful information, etc etc I've put together a forum which works in a similar fashion to VietnamAirsoft.com. Feel free to join up and post your link to a group, your gear, your knowledge, and anything else you want to.
I want to be sensative to everyones feelings, howver I feel som of this is being blown way out of control.
At re-enactments you are suppose to be sharing your knowledge of what happened. Thats how I always saw them. If people want to do that for VN that is their choice. It is not done to mock or be hurtful in any way.
If I choose to play airsoft in OD Green BUDS with a Wood M14 again it is my choice. I feel it is no more offencive then someone in WWII attire or someone dressed in ACU or Multi cam using an M4.
The fact we are getting together in dressed in VN era gear should not be creating such a blow up. I know it was an unfavorable war, but it is no more favorable then our current war.
Again I agree it is a game we all can do what we want. BUT I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY ONE SAD WITH MY CHOICES, that is not my intension.
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Last edited by AppleFritt3r : 06-17-2010 at 12:56 PM.
I currently have an AK-47 and am planning on getting an M16A1 in the future, and also am getting a WE Hi-Capa Dragon 5.1 (1911). Is the dragon ok? Also, does clothing count or would I be able to wear my regular airsoft stuff?
The Ak-47 is fine for vietcong, NVA and U.S special forces loadout. The dragon is definitely not okay. You need to have a plain 1911. Yes clothing counts, if you don't have the gear, you can't join.
I don't want to start having to clean up this thread, so I'll say this once. Read through the entire thread and read their rules and guidelines! It is spelled out in plain English. Different teams have different gear requirements. Some don't have any, some have loose requirements, and some are very strict. This is a team with strict requirements - their requirements are just guided by a specific time period. Accuracy to this era is important to them. Also: If you don't like, agree with, or understand why they are being a time period-specific team, thats fine - make a separate discussion thread for it, PM them, or just converse with them on the field.
Personally, I am of the opinion that if you don't like it, understand it, or agree with it, then just don't frickin join the team. Seems pretty simple to me - again that's my personal belief based on the fact that I wouldn't want someone giving me sh*t because they didn't like how I ran my Airsoft team...
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AK-47 and business casual, seems sufficient enough for a Russian Advisor
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AK-47 and business casual, seems sufficient enough for a Russian Advisor
Unlike American advisors, russian advisors did not carry any weapons ever. On Vietnamairsoft.com there is a thread about advisor loadouts, and you can find more information there.
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Not to jack the thread but do you why i cant make a acount on Vietnamairsoft.com it keeps refreshing it self?
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How would i do that?
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Go to your browser, Hit the browsers name and go to systems preferences, and search around (should be under security, or privacy or something) for turning on cookies option.
Remember guys, before purchasing your replica, if you buy a JG or Echo1 M16VN or M16A1 you will need to replace the upper reciever and pistol grip as the JG/E1 M16VN/A1's are A2's with A1 forearms and therefore are incorrect for Vietnam. The AGM M16VN is an A4 with a triangle forearm, and would not be correct either.
The only companies that make correct A1 and VN replicas are TM, CA, and G&P. Also, only a full length wood grain(real or faux wood) M14 is correct for the Vietnam period, synthetic black, OD, and camouflage M14's, M14 EBR's, or M14 shorty/soc16/scout are not period correct.
Also, try and keep repeat questions to a minimum, and read the entire thread before PM'ing one of us or asking a question here, we have provided alot of good links to help anyone who might be interested in this sort of thing.
If a question hasn't been asked yet and you can't find the answer through research, ask us and we'll try to help as best as we can.
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Unlike American advisors, russian advisors did not carry any weapons ever. On Vietnamairsoft.com there is a thread about advisor loadouts, and you can find more information there.
So? Is that a no you can't do that or a yes? I was aware that they never used weapons, but this is after all airsoft and a weapon is quite necessary to play.
I should add that there was one first person account of a Russian holding an AK-47 seen by an American soldier.
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If that's the case, you can do a Russian advisor loadout if you want, I could be wrong about the not having weapons part. If you provide one of us with a source showing that some (even if it's just one) Russian advisor had a weapon, then that will be fine with us.
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Hey, I was wondering a bit more about the exact clothing required, and two other things:
1. Would this pistol qualify http://socomgear.com/english/index.p...products_id=14
2. If I used that and an AK47 would that be okay or would it have to be an M16 with the 1911. I'm not sure what pistols the Vietnamese used anyway.
Oh, and also where are you guys going to be meeting at (sorry if this already gpt asked, I'd read it through but there are a lot of comments and I'm on a laptop with the world's crappiest track pad)
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Hey, I was wondering a bit more about the exact clothing required, and two other things:
1. Would this pistol qualify http://socomgear.com/english/index.p...products_id=14
2. If I used that and an AK47 would that be okay or would it have to be an M16 with the 1911. I'm not sure what pistols the Vietnamese used anyway.
Oh, and also where are you guys going to be meeting at (sorry if this already gpt asked, I'd read it through but there are a lot of comments and I'm on a laptop with the world's crappiest track pad)
No, the US did not have USMC 1911 pistols with lanyards back then. An Ak47 would be okay if you were doing a Vietnamese loadout or a US special forces loadout, since they liked the Ak-47 for it's durability and that the ammo for it was always around. Also, the Vietnamese(especially the Vietcong) were not the well equipped, and the norm for them was usually just an Ak-47, SKS, Mat-49 or any of the other various weapons they used.
Hey, I was wondering a bit more about the exact clothing required, and two other things:
1. Would this pistol qualify http://socomgear.com/english/index.p...products_id=14
2. If I used that and an AK47 would that be okay or would it have to be an M16 with the 1911. I'm not sure what pistols the Vietnamese used anyway.
Oh, and also where are you guys going to be meeting at (sorry if this already gpt asked, I'd read it through but there are a lot of comments and I'm on a laptop with the world's crappiest track pad)
I do not know about the Pistol but I am guessing no... it isn;t a 1911.
The Ak would be good but what Load Out are you going for. The US Special Forces would some times pick them up but the Vietnamese used those more than any one else. You have to be most specific about what your trying to do.
Thank you for the interest. Also your AK needs to be wood or fake-o wood. No OD or Black Stocks
So silent Snipez we were both commenting at the same time I see.
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Yeah, transportations tough so I can only really participate if you guys are close to me, but looks cool (and yes, the AK is fake plastic wood).
I'm not judging you guys, because it's your group and therefore your rules apply, but I have to ask why the gear is so important. I understand it's a vietnam thing but it's a 1911 so really if there's a lanyard or a different engraving what's the difference?
Yeah, transportations tough so I can only really participate if you guys are close to me, but looks cool (and yes, the AK is fake plastic wood).
I'm not judging you guys, because it's your group and therefore your rules apply, but I have to ask why the gear is so important. I understand it's a vietnam thing but it's a 1911 so really if there's a lanyard or a different engraving what's the difference?
Lanyard's weren't used (I'm pretty darn sure) and.... second one is a good question.
Well Muffin Man to be frank, like we stated throughout this whole thread.... We are going for an accurate impression guns, gear and all. We want the guns to be exact because we want to portray the soldiers in vietnam and have the correct equipment to do so. We don't want people with plate carriers and 1911's with rails and fancy shmancy accessories on it because you can just say so........ We clearly links to where you can get your gun/gear info and do research. Like we said before, we don't want to babysit. If you don't want to be committed to this and put money into this, the door's right over there.
Regarding 1911's, the trigger and hammer are different from the 1911 Govt., so even without the lanyard, it would still be incorrect. The triggers and hammers are often different than the 1911 Govt. on newer 1911 based pistols, so while those are minor details, they make all the difference. Also, railed frame pistols are more modern than pistols from the time period.
So again, the only acceptable 1911 style pistol is the 1911 Govt.
No, WE makes a 1911 Govt. that uses hi-capa magazines. It's the third link down, but is out of stock on Evike, so you will have to look other places for that specific model.
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Time out. You guys are going to whine over Lanyards? Are you going to replace the gun when that person has it flying out of their holster by accident? No?
Then why not allow it for games? And don't hand me this BS about "we want accuracy" because you already are sacrificing accuracy using fanned googles, wrongly marked weapons, and shooting with Hicaps.
You're picking and choosing where you want to be accurate, and that's fine, but don't you think it'd be wiser to be flexible in your accuracy when it comes to your group securing your belongings? If you want to be strict when you're walking around at a show, then I would agree that the lanyards shouldn't be allowed ( and neither should any of your inaccurate weapons), but for a weekly game... what makes that such a gross injustice while you're allowing other inaccuracies?
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"He carried the standard canvas rucksack with canvas LBE of the communist countries. His weapon was an AK-47, and his size made it look small in his hands. He carried himself with the air of confidence that professional soldiers exude. "Spetsnaz" (Soviet Special Forces Troops) crossed our minds. This was exciting and a pretty special observation for us. This was **** hot! We had received "unofficial" intelligence summaries that Russian Advisers were suspected of operating in South Vietnam with the North Vietnamese." - Reynel Martinez
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"He carried the standard canvas rucksack with canvas LBE of the communist countries. His weapon was an AK-47, and his size made it look small in his hands. He carried himself with the air of confidence that professional soldiers exude. "Spetsnaz" (Soviet Special Forces Troops) crossed our minds. This was exciting and a pretty special observation for us. This was **** hot! We had received "unofficial" intelligence summaries that Russian Advisers were suspected of operating in South Vietnam with the North Vietnamese." - Reynel Martinez
You are good to go then for an advisor loadout with an AK-47. That's all the proof we need. Thanks Rob. Also Randy, I didn't realize about that. I just didn't like the fact that it was a 1911 with rails and not a plain 1911. But a plain 1911 with a lanyard is just fine, as long as it helps you not lose your pistol.
Mike and Frank,
Tonight (well, this morning) I have been talknig to a friend named Steve and he served in the Vietnam War. I was letting him know about this Particular group because we were talking about airsoft etc... he was going through all of the "standard issue" equipment with me and mentioned the .38 revolver. I do not think anyone has brought up anything about the .38 revolver yet.
Yes, after some research I found that the .38 was used. probably obtained through probably either private purchase or picked it up somewhere. This is what some tunnel rats would use too and maybe even VC since they use whatever they could get there hands on.
Also NOT every infantry man was issued or got a pistol. But if you do want a side arm, try to use what was most common. M1911a1 (no not the fancy shmancy ones with rails and other weird crap) can be found for $85-$100. WE, TM, KWA offer them. Plus Vietnam era .45 black leather holsters can be found pretty cheap too.
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Well, NOT every infantry man was issued it, but my friend Steve says it was standard issue if you had it. He also said if you didn't have a pistol, you had a Thump Gun! You know, the "thumper" from Cod!!! ZZZOOOMMGG.
A very BASIC U.S. Impression will cost you about $200 or less if you are lucky. This basic set will include suspenders, belt, 2 ammo pouches, canteen set, Helmet, jungle fatigues and boots.
A VC impression will cost you about $150 or less. Since they carried very little. Chi-com or satchel, belt, canteen set, shoes, hat and set of clothes that are very close to a Vietnamese civi clothing. The canteen set and other items could be french militaria.
You can improve your impression along the way too. We wont and will not consider load-outs that cut corners or have items that are very obvious that aren't Vietnam era so don't even ask. I also stress learning on your own, figure it out your self and common sense if not, then ask us a question. But we did link links and plus we answered questions in this thread already. Learning is half the fun right
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Reminder* Just because there is Call of Duty Black Ops Coming out soon, you may absolutely not base an impression around that game. If you ask us, we will just turn you away, as their impressions in that game about the vietnam war are absolutely pitiful. Please don't try to shortcut your loadouts as we look down upon that, and as Will Jay stated, these impressions are fairly cheap. Also please try not to get confused between M67 and ALICE. Please use this thread to distinguish between the two: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...howtopic=20096
Just curious, because I know video games are popular inspiration, will/is Battlefield Bad Company: Vietnam good reference? If it's good, we might get some people to join us because of it.
Also, what optics are canon?
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Movies/video games are a good thing (and probably the only good thing) for getting some "inspiration" to get into this. BUT don't use movies and video games ESPECIALLY video games as a source of info and what to use for gear and history.
You'll end up getting stuff wrong, end up spending twice as much money to get the right gear finally and look pretty dumb in the end. Plus, where will you find those rondiferously awesome made-up gear and uniforms those video game nitwits created? If you do somehow get it, I can guarantee you aren't joining this group if you do. Not trying revive a dead topic but wearing the wrong stuff is what is disrespectful those who served. You want to show respect to them? Get it right and accurate as possible. Were not asking for every detail in one shot. We just want you to have the basics first and then you can improve your impression from there on.
The only optics you'll be seeing are either old "hunting" rifle style scopes on sniper rifles. Unless you are willing to dish out $$$ or try to make a Starlight IIRC that would be pretty much it.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
No OD clothes wouldn't work, and ALICE gear wouldn't work. Go to http://www.oldparatrooper.com/ and email or call him and he'll have jungle fatigues and M56 web gear sets for cheap. The M14 is good enough to use.
O.K. here's some simple rules since some people just don't get it.
1) Dont like this group? Don't post. Its pretty simple, unless you are SOO frustrated over something there is a thing called a pm.
2) Want to ask about gear/uniforms that are pretty easy to get the info on? Well here's a thought, we posted links and guides on what to get and how to get it. Theirs also a thing called Google or a book.
Here's a list of some posts by us. Please look over these and you will most likely find your answer.
-3,6,7,13,15,91,93
So right there I just made it easier for you find the answer. If you end up asking about something that could be found in one of those posts, than I'm sorry well most likely ignore your post.
3) Hate the rules and a requirements? Deal with it. There is a Vietnam airsoft forum that basically has the same or even more stricter requirements.
4) Stop whining. You obviously don't see us whining over your group/team (if you have one), We don't complain about what you wear or what gun you use. So why complain about what we want to do for this group? If you don't like ours than you can start your own half-a$$ed vietn-operator group.We could seriously care less. Its childish.
__________________ [The Code of Conduct of ROK Forces in Vietnam]
1. To the enemy, Be courageous and fearful.
2. To the Vietnamese people, Behave with kindness and warmness.
3. To our allies, show them we are well disciplined and reliable. Vietnam Airsoft Group浪人Team Ronin-MUSTARD JAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Not unless you have the correct gear.
