Wow, and to think I actually almost thought about buying a pair. They are so obviously dangerous, i can't believe they actually sell them online and in the stores.
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Holy crap... That's just plain scary to think about. My one friend has a mesh mask from Shorty USA. I definately need to tell him about this.
i have the same mask, but i wasnt goning to use it because it is pretty low quality, and i couldnt see through the iron sights on my g36c, so i got some goggles from evike.com, and they are much better.
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Its kind of like looking through a screen door, or a kill flash. Amazing, shooting glasses are probobly safer (Still not safe, but safer) because atleast they dont let debris fly DIRECTLY at your open eyes.
well, those safety goggles aren't the best either. I shot a pair with my BAR-10 and they were a good 50 feet away, the place where the BB hit was a large hole and there was no BB (went straight through) and there were shards of plastic everywhere.
I had actually bought a mesh mask... can't remember if it was from Shorty's or not. I tested it out but firing a few rounds from each of my weapons from about 10-15 feet and it did a supprising amount of damage just on a single shot basis. Then I decided to light it up with my M203 and it blew the mesh screen right out of the mask. I agree that these should be banned because they are dangerous and promote a false sence of security. For those of you that have them just remove the screen it self and wear over your goggles if you still want the protection of your mask as well.
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Its pretty easy to figure out if you have mesh or not. Is there a solid piece of clear plastic to see through, or is it interwoven metal strands similar to a window screen?
If the first, then no. If the second, then yes.
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I wonder why anybody even makes or sells these, seeing as how unsafe they are. You'd think they'd test their own product before going and selling it to everyone. :(
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I understand and agree that Full seal goggles are way safer and yes the way to go, and that mesh is very unsafe. but he did shoot them from 6 inches, had he shot it from 6 feet, he would have had different results, if he had shot it from standard C3 rules of engagement of 20-30 feet there would have been totally different results. im not arguing the case of goggles and mesh goggles, but it feels like there is a small panic going on just because there was debris and he dented the mesh, but he shot it from six inches away. i dont know it just doesnt seem necessary.
Ok, so... after you've waited 8 months to chime in on this, you agree mesh is "very unsafe" but think mesh goggles are safe. Your logic is truly stupifying.
So riddle me this, if the BBs break at 6 inches or so with a stock weapon... are you GUARANTEED they won't break from a distance? What about with upgraded weapons (like sniper rifles that are upwards of 400 FPS)? What about richochets from a shot you didn't quite line up right?
There have been reports for a LONG time(more than a couple years) that mesh goggles are unsafe because of BBs breaking on the mesh and the shards going into the eye. This was just finally someone sitting down and photographing proof in a comprehensive review.
Further... ok, so it might not happen every time? Hell, might only happen once in 10,000,000 rounds. But how many pairs of eyes do you get? You wanna run those numbers?
I don't know, he shot the .12 gram bbs from a cheap springer that had relatively low power and the bbs were still cut up by the mesh, just imagine what an AEG could do with a heavier projectile and double the power, even if the shooter was at a realistic distance.
yea sorry i just noticed the time tabs, on the other inputs.i was just saying that, more distance equals lesser force, so wouldn't the bb have less of an effect from a farther distance,
true, but the heavier the bb, the less likely hood it will break; the heavier the bb, the more effect gravity has on it,; the more effect gravity has on it, the energy of the motion will get slower
I got shot (accidentally) from no more them 2 inches by a gas pistol right in the center of my mask, and I am glad it wasn't mesh. Also, going to the root of the problem, a good trick to stop fogging is to just put liquid soup on the lens. You can see 10 times longer.
yea sorry i just noticed the time tabs, on the other inputs.i was just saying that, more distance equals lesser force, so wouldn't the bb have less of an effect from a farther distance,
but an argument of "force" doesn't apply to "breaking into pieces"
A glass jar can fall from 2 feet onto concrete and not break or it can shatter. Same force applied, but it's all in how it impacts and the structural setup of the object.
Same deal with BBs. I've seen BBs hit rocks and shatter into pieces from a distance. I've also seen them bounce off like nothing happened.
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true, but the heavier the bb, the less likely hood it will break; the heavier the bb, the more effect gravity has on it,; the more effect gravity has on it, the energy of the motion will get slower
No. Not even close.
Heavier the BB... the heavier it is. That's all in terms of structural durability. Just cause it's heavy doesn't mean it's going to hold up. My previous example still holds, but this time... switch it to a brick falling 2 feet. It is possible to both break and to have absolutely no effect.
Gravity has no effect of lateral movement. Just effects how long it stays "above ground".
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The heavier the bb, The more kinetic energy though.
Uh, no. F=MA
The kinetic energy of a system will remain the same if you only change the weight of the projectile. A gun shooting 1 joule with .20g BBs still shoots at 1 joule with .25s. Granted, heavier projectiles retain their energy better than lighter ones, but we are talking about five hundreths of a gram. the change won't be that significant at 100 meters.
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the heavier the bb, the more effect gravity has on it,; the more effect gravity has on it, the energy of the motion will get slower
Galileo would like a word with you. Gravity has the same effect on all things regardless of weight. Honestly, this is like 5th grade science. There's no good reason not to know this.
The kinetic energy of a system will remain the same if you only change the weight of the projectile. A gun shooting 1 joule with .20g BBs still shoots at 1 joule with .25s. Granted, heavier projectiles retain their energy better than lighter ones, but we are talking about five hundreths of a gram. the change won't be that significant at 100 meter
Sorry, you are correct, that was complete stupidity on my part, I should of checked to see if I was right before I had posted.
I'm not surprised by those test results at all. Gee, shooting a small round projectile at something that has holes in it, of course something's going to get through. I don't even know why people want to use mesh anyway. I don't know about you guys, but my eyes are very important to me, and eye protection is the one piece of gear I don't mess around with. Of course now I use turbo fans, but even before them, I had high quality goggles and never really had a problem with fogging because there are ways to prevent it.
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Don't they use them a lot in Japan and China for airsoft? I saw a picture or something from TM's field whever it is and all they had on were mesh masks.
Don't they use them a lot in Japan and China for airsoft? I saw a picture or something from TM's field whever it is and all they had on were mesh masks.
There are a lot of games where a player isn't out until he can't take the pain of being shot anymore. Should we do that, too?
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. What people in other countries do is irrelevant to what C3 does.
Im sure this is very helpful information, but unfortunately I cannot get to the link you posted. If you could inform me on the mesh goggles that would be great.
John,
You can't get to the link? Did you click it? I just checked the link in the first post and it loads fine.
Anyhow, in a nut shell... don't use the mesh goggles as they are unsafe and can allow fragments through the mesh.
Not to mention, you are prohibited from using them at our games.
Don't they use them a lot in Japan and China for airsoft? I saw a picture or something from TM's field whever it is and all they had on were mesh masks.
I've actually seen video of some places, unsure where, but it was an Asian country judging from the landscape and, of course, all of them who were playing were of Asian origin, unsure if it was China, Japan, or Taiwan, where ever it was, these people practiced zero protection.
Not a single soul on that field had any piece of eye or face protection period, and were engaging each other at close range in an indoor/outdoor mixed field.
But for those who may say the test was not proper due to the tester shooting them at extremely close range - I say I think the test is legit. What do you do when you test goggles that are questionable in airsoft or paintball? That's right, shoot them point blank. Why should we give these things a break just because they are made differently? The chance of a point blank encounter is slim but it has happened to me and it will probably happen to all of you more than once. It just happens. Someone gets jumpy or you run into each other around a corner, one person panics and fires and the other return fires - just out of shock of running into each other.
I have played in several different countries and i have to say this is the safest place to play all around. Yes there are places in Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan that don't require a lot of things for safety but ask yourself do you really want that? You only have a pair of eyes, they don't grown back so why risk it?
Although I have reviewed the evidence from the article and agree that any one of those particles or dust fragments could severely injure ones eye, I think there are some precautions that could possibly prevent such damage to people's eyes.
I think the problem could be solved with a pair of glasses that go under the goggles. It would stop any parts that had broken through the mesh.
I first noticed this when me and a couple friends were playing in his backyard. (Note his backyard is huge, it is basically in the woods) One of my friends was playing with mesh yesterday. I asked him, "You know those things are dangerous. I read an article on C3Airsoft about how you can get hit in the eye with any pieces that break through the metal." He simply replied,"That's why I have these." While waving his shooting glasses around.
After that, I couldn't think of one good reason not to wear them. They cover your face, particles can't get in your eye(save for the fact that they might just be in the glasses and nothing more), and they don't fog.
Just expressing my opinion on the subject. Note that I still think that just wearing mesh goggles is as dangerous as not wearing anything.
Wait why wear 2 pairs when you can just wear one? Why pay for 2 pairs when you can pay for 1?
I don't know, but in this instance I will play the Devil's Advocate. Mesh goggles are really cheap on some websites. You can also buy a cheap pair of shooting glasses, and in some cases, the glasses come free with guns. So why pay for an expensive paintball mask when you can pay $20 max for the mesh goggle/glasses setup?
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Easy: Paintball masks are accepted EVERYWHERE. No one turns them away. Mesh and Shooting Glasses are often turned away(even when they're combined). In fact, I'm aware of no Major Event in the US that allows Mesh goggles or shooting glasses as an acceptable form of eye protection.
Wanna guess why?
And secondly, where the hell are you buying your paintball masks that are "expensive". $15 at walmart will get you a paintball mask.
But aside from that, ok... let's play out your scenario of "double up the face protection".
You've worn some and now you've taken some hits to the eyes and shards have broken through your mesh, but they have been wonderfully stopped by shooting glasses! KUDOS!
Almost.
Here's the problem: After the hit, are you standing still for the rest of the game? No respawns, immediately go to the safe zone to remove your goggles? Or if you are respawning, never moving your head at all? Or are you running... bobbing your head... moving your head quickly from side to side checking for enemies?
What is to stop the fragments that are now already INSIDE your mesh goggles from getting into your eye? Shooting glasses? They're not full seal. And the shards aren't going away because the mesh goggles are full seal along the edges. So now your shards are effectively trapped inside your goggles to bobble around like a snow-globe that has drained it's water. Sure they can fall out of the mesh, I suppose... but that's really only if you're looking down.
Why chance it?
Do you have ANY idea how fragile your eyes are? Your body FREAKS OUT when something as small as an EYE LASH gets in there. There's a reason for it. If these sharp shards of BB get into your eye, you could be looking at some SERIOUS damage.
You don't have an OPINION here. You're trying to state that mesh goggles are SAFE if there is shooting glasses underneath.
That's not an opinion. That's an erroneous statement. An "opinion" is able to be considered correct by both parties.
You are not correct. At all.
There is no other way to say it. Mesh goggles are unsafe. WHAT the hell is so hard to understand about all this?
Secondly, your position on safety seems to be flipflopping. You're safe, but you play BYA, you're safe, but you can't find a reason that mesh goggles are a hazard.
Remember kids, if a stranger offers you mesh goggles just say no.
Just say no to mesh.
But on a serious note, its obviously been proven that mesh is an ineffective form of protection for airsoft so don't risk your eyes, just go to walmart and buy a paintball mask, (under $20) because your eyes are priceless and not replaceable.
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